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nations with the head of the faction in parliament

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servants of the people Davido Marakhimiyu We

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meet here in the park once to

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war There were such formal and

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informal meetings of deputies And we

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meet on the day when another article of the frinf is published about where Ukraine

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hints that it is obvious that negotiations should be conducted with Russia and somehow

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reconciliation we talk to a person who

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twice received a mandate to negotiate with

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Russians so this

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our interview Well, of course, about other things

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photographer, let's Smile like this

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bitter bitter bitter Well, you see, congratulations

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David, I am shocked by the articles that

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come out One after another, no one

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is to blame for me Well, that's right In

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this sense Well, we went for it, someone

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made a decision in Ukraine and we will, well

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to fight on their own or to yield

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the military-political leadership

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elections, what have you lost your mind

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took on all the obligations to lead

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him through the hardships of Ukraine

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to figure out who is right and who is wrong

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the council ends, it's good to see you all

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the last time we saw each other, you know when we didn't

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mention anything. When we saw each other on February 14th

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2022, it's for that program that I

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still feel ashamed that we said there would be no

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war, you should be ashamed

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ashamed of the turbo regime, that is, you European

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institutions praised you precisely for the turbo regime

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and we talked about the fact that the turbo regime has been

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working since 19th year and only now you

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realized that it really exists

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are you satisfied with it yourself? Yes, I am

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very satisfied, the mono-majority

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formally exists or it exists conditionally

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and you still have to collect votes

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because once you said that your

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strong side is when you can

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put a swan, a crab, and a pike together and make them

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agree with each other and with you

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now now appeared in the last

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several months ago exactly what you

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touched on about elections when they started

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some discussions about elections. And before

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that, thank God, for a year and a half we

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didn't have any opposition, coalition, we just

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worked as a parliament. There is a parliament and

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there are some groups of people and we

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united opinions there and it worked. Now

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it's a bit broken, but I think now

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when everyone finally understands that there will be no

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elections. Maybe we can just start over

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not everyone understands yet. Well, there are still

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some rumors in regional headquarters that someone

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is preparing something, making lists. Well, if

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people want to spend extra money

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instead of buying something for the front, well

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internal communication between the president and

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you says that there will be no elections

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go next year, I don't

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think there can be any elections at all. Not presidential, parliamentary

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or local. Do you often attend events

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participate in elections? No

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one does.

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politicians who talked about how Here you go

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maybe you will need to sit down for

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negotiations with the Russians or someone else

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there in a broader circle and then if you

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are conditionally illegitimate there then

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there may be questions for you maybe you

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need to hold elections that was

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the discussion you know Well when you just

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get to the specifics you say And how will the

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military vote or run for office And how 6

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their votes. And how can they do it

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so that the air alarm doesn't last

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all day, for example, it could be in the air and

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no one will come to the elections, and so on

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they don't have answers and no one has

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answers to these questions, actually, and

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they say, Well, okay, okay, work

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as you worked. Uh, so they can

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prove the theorem theoretically, but

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they can't solve equations. So if you

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need to vote for some law

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bill, you often

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of other factions.

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interested in OPZZ, very simple for me

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attitude towards this process. For me, every deputy is a

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vote. My job is

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very simple, to collect

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votes, if their votes are there, I immediately

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sit down with the security service and say OPZZ, it

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is also heterogeneous like any other

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faction or party, there were businessmen

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many who took the flag of OPZZ because someone

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there was selling or giving it and entered

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this Parliament under the flag of OPZZ. Although they

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have no political ambitions at all. What are your feelings, oligarchs, have they

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withdrawn their hands from the deputies, how much

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has it decreased? I

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can say that in this

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in this parliament, there are already elected

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currently, since the beginning of the war, there are no oligarchs

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1%, although they were in this same parliament before

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the war. I think it's around 30%. and their influence was

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Ahmetov or Kolomoisky or Firtash or

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Poroshenko. Well, if we consider him an oligarch, then of course he has

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a whole political force and a very loud one in

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such a context. So, all those other surnames you mentioned

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Stolar, no Gerekh, no Kitasya, nobody. And

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Gerekh, I don't

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even know why. Honestly

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speaking, he left. I

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think he went to

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parliament when there was

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immunity. He practically bought

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immunity, but he didn't understand that

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the Servant of the People would come and in just two

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weeks, immunity would simply grow. Yeah

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I think there was a mistake in this

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part of the deputies left

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abroad during the war. Who

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got caught up in some

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vacations and resorts. There are already well-known

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stories of deputies Tishchenko, Aristov, Khodov, Torokhtiy

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and others. How do you work with them? Do you have any

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I mean, you are some kind of a comrade or

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something, I don't know, you are in such positions.

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you need to speak or some psychologist

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or the senior in the room I don't know how you

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can manage this substance You

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apologize But what is called a faction

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you with them then what after these flights how

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you with them

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talk What do you say to them and

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look at it With whom I'm talking

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if I talked to you here you

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would pick everything all the time Yes I can talk to someone

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talk to add his logic somehow there

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a person at all even before the war Maldives

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it's after Petro Oleksiyovych it was already

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taboo for any politician and

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during the war Maldives Well, I called him

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there's nothing to discuss Yeah There

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growled There was a slightly different situation there

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he first from his first

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marriage child he went to accompany

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the first time And he supposedly got out of it

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that there was a child and I said Well, I

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even went to defend him publicly but

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then it turned out that on the way

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using this good patriotic idea

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they went somewhere far away Well, for that I

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say well then go Well, you yourself Kuznetsov

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your own happiness As they say, yes Well, let

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people simply choose themselves They don't

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understand what

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it is Well, it seems to me that you know that the

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coolest things that bring you back

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to earth are to go to the front

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the journey is such And to stay

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the nights are the first

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and the second is a refreshing moment when I

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cemetery you see these new sectors with

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flags it's in every city and everything and

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then it's all clear to you and when you

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want well it's clear that all people and there

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after some time there already years it's hard

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to hold such moments yes

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everything returns to its place Well instantly

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just need it Well to yourself

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to realize then everything will be fine

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you will work as much as you need and

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the servant of the people project will exist

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it will be 100% look the project no longer

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need to say the project we still

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made a party When we went to the elections it

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was not a party it was a project it will

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still be Under the wing of the president we have

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the servant of the people party It is still

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with us there will be a lot of changes from the point of view

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of personnel because we monitor everyone we

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are not making any moves now so as not to

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send this signal to space this

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signal About the elections Well if we now

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crucify the whole party it will be

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a signal that we are preparing for something and

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then everyone because of great distrust

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political distrust of all others will

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start preparing and quarrels will start again

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so why don't we do it but it doesn't mean

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that we don't do homework we do a lot

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of work we analyze we have people

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with whom we want to go as a political force and with whom

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we definitely won't go anywhere

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it seems that you don't have

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such direct contact with the president

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it seems that the President doesn't even

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hesitate the servant party

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of the people for all these embarrassing situations that

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happen from time to time with the deputies

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of this party faction Come on, make a huge distance

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between him and the party and faction

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well at least a public distance well that's

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right I think And why should he

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be responsible for Ristova's behavior or

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rattling or Tishchenko Well, I think it's

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our internal work and

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mistake We have to

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fix it ourselves Definitely not

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interfere with the president there the president and

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so the head is overwhelmed with all other

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challenges that exist in the country what else

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politics is not enough to deal with

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well he definitely doesn't need to deal with this

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now but the phenomenon of Tishchenko if you mentioned this name twice

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I remember the elections in Frankivsk

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I remember his arrival in

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polling station

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where he was protecting the very

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polling station. But I remember meeting with

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the community in Thailand and I remember these

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eternal disputes there, call centers from

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the last thing that catches the eye. He

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where does he get the mandate for such actions? He

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a rocket of all-directional actions. We call him

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he can take any

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topic, see the problem and

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go on his own. What kind of educational conversation do you have with him?

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I have had hundreds. No, we have already

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expelled him from the faction. And that's it. I say

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Let's go, you are an independent person. There

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No, we are not from the party, we have long been out of the party.

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in any city where it was possible and

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I say you are a member of parliament during the war

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new challenges. Show yourself during the war

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maybe people. Well, he is a majoritarian, so

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he

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voted for Svatoshyina and says "Go and

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Svatoshyina may give votes again

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for you, well, prove it. Prove that

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you are a statesman. He is looking for different

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directions of work, including call centers. Well, in fact, something needs to be done with call centers. You see how many of them there are, they are

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just hundreds. And they are all illegal, they

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rob our European

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partners. Well, the main thing

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is that

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we don't pay tribute to them.

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Our Ukrainian friends have already taken a look

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I don't know who is taking money there I know that

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Well, there are

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hundreds of criminal cases hundreds

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of criminal cases precisely from

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European partners based on

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complaints from

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affected pensioners and others

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So, what does this call center do? It

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calls as Some financial

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such I

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superhero Well, he took this topic somehow

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Although it became known earlier these

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call centers were working no one even knew

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about them except for a narrow circle and the police

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did not know they are looking for firefighters the police is looking for

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Well, you see, Mykola Mykolayovych will somehow

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resolve this situation, I think, uh-huh, uh-huh, and

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maybe not, well, we'll see, clearly

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Dubinsky, what do you

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think about this character, state treason -

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This is a serious

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accusation, I don't know, I want to read

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when all this information will be published, then we will have some kind of Su

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some kind of judgment, I don't know, well, the fact that he participated in these

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American elections is a fact, for this he received sanctions, I

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believe that this was well proven, and what

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happens next, I don't

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know, don't you regret

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that Shevchenko

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was expelled

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No, well, I communicate with him normally, he

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by the way, during the war, he helped a lot, I

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about it, about his cooperation with the main

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intelligence department, he helped a lot, he was the first call to my phone

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from Lukashenko, when only the first day

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of the war, he organized it, Lukashenko

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separately even told himself, yes, that is

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he was

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Such an interesting story, a couple of

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months ago he comes up to me

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excited and says we need to do something

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about the media, otherwise we might

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end up like Belarus in a negative

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context. I tell him, "Zhenya, just a

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year ago you said that Belarus is a

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beautiful country." You see how people

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change, it's just amazing. From him

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we can become like Belarus." I say, "But

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you yourself promoted Belarus just a year

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ago." He says, "Well, yes, he really

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changed the media. I talked to him

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and he says that I didn't say everything

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back then. He says, "You didn't watch my

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film about Belarus, I talked about

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some negative aspects of life in

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Belarus." Well, he figured it out now. I

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understand what Belarus is, especially

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after how they behaved during the war." "Yeah, what were you talking about

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when Shevchenko gave you the phone?" "Well, we didn't know

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what to expect from Belarus at all. It

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was when the conversation took place. I

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think it was the 23rd or 22nd, I think

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maybe the 24th or the first day or

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maybe the second day, rather the evening

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of the first day." "Yeah, well, the president refused

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to talk to him. And I said, "I'll put

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a loudspeaker on the microphone so

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that at least we can hear everything."

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some information even if you don't

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trust it. Well, at least listen to it. And he

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then said

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that we will not fight with Ukraine, he

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said. I can't. He honestly said, I

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can't

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allow them to use my

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infrastructure and not

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enter or launch missiles through Belarus, but I

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guarantee that no Belarusian soldier will

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cross the border of Ukraine. We didn't

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believe it and there were many provocations

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that were thrown at us, some heavy

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said that disguised Belarusian

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soldiers are fighting, but then

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it was never confirmed. Well, you have to

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give credit where it's due, the word still

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holds for Grygorovych, he demanded something from

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Ukraine, he didn't demand anything at all, he

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offered his services as a mediator. Then

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we agreed to meet for the first time

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at the Belarus-Ukraine border, we agreed to meet

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in Bialowieza Forest, yes, he said, this is my

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Fazenda or something like that, he has

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hunting estates there. And he says

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come there and we went. Well, the logistics

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were so difficult. We went

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by train first to Poland, then from

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Poland we boarded the

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train to...

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Her NATO helicopters flew to the military base in Belarus. It seems that this

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was the only several times when NATO

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helicopters landed on the territory of

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Belarus and then transferred to

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Belarusian military helicopters and then

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landed there. They were nervous. Lukashenko gave each

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delegate two or three

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bodyguards. So

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there were

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bodyguards there.

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three times more

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than the negotiators themselves

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had set as the goal of those

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talks. Well, the first

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one was when I asked the president

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what we would consider successful

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negotiations. Well, the initial

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phase. He says you have to

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give them the feeling that they can talk

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to us because if you remember, in the first

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few months, the Russians were pushing

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the message that Zelensky's government

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was illegitimate, that it was after the Maidan

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and the revolution and so on. And after the second session

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it seems Putin came out on TV and

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said that we recognize Zelensky's government

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as legitimate and we will negotiate with it

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so this phase was

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successful. Yeah, this was the first goal

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and the second goal was to buy time. So, we

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were basically a smokescreen

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for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We

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engaged in long discussions with them

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sometimes dragging out the time, sometimes

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shortening it, giving them a sense

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that they were winning in

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the negotiations. So, it was a tactical

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game

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, constantly consulting with the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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about their plans and where they were going

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and how. Yeah, who

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there it is often a question it is honestly there

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there was no time when this Lukashenko

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called him and said you need to go tomorrow to

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you have no time to think and sit

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to do some castings there and so on Well

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I said I will go right away well Reznikov

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It was necessary to take because the Ministry

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of Defense was nearby he says I too

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will go he was By the way he was

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there in Belarus something he says I know

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Gryzlova this former ambassador well

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and Makay knew the Minister

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of Foreign Affairs Well he

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could also suggest something well Kuleba was already

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in Ukraine Yes He has already returned but

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he has not left yet has not returned from the US

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he has not returned yet Yes and that's why they took took

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Tachytsky from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Yeah he was very

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important to us

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he played the role of a Bandera supporter that

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the Russians react very strongly to Well he stood there

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and gave such speeches that they were pale

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Yeah Well here

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Zgura gave us a person until then

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remember this scandalous one Yeah they

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shot him they shot him yes And who else was there I don't remember anymore there were

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seven of us

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and from their side there

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were

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30 or 40 people on

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there were people behind the carriages

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who write these psychological portraits

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so when you talk at the table

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there's a special person behind who does

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a psychological portrait that tells where

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you tell the truth and where you lie

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what things you react to emotionally

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yes, I read such portraits later

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actually, we have the same thing, we didn't take anyone

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because I didn't know such a thing existed at all

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the possibility option, yes, actually very

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accurate portraits, we made them

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based on video recordings, others, well, their

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portraits

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very-very accurate portraits, cool

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actually, it's a profession, people who

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are well prepared, well, they

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are very well prepared, honestly

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they, at first, somehow, when we were there, we

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were not formally, specifically, and that's why I

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broke their templates, yeah, well, I used swear words

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and said let's turn off the cameras, let's just

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talk, communicate, and so on

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well, I, at first, you know, they

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were a bit nervous and diplomatic

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school, they reacted very nervously

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then I taught them how to use Zoom, well

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so they wouldn't have to travel so much, yeah, well, I said

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let's talk for 3

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hours or two

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We are coming to you for 48 hours and then

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back for 48, it doesn't work like that. Let's

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stick to Zoom. They initially said it was

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American software and they didn't trust it, so

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they provided some kind of

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Russian software that broke in the second

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minute and then they went back to Zoom. Were

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you on the phone with Kyiv or something? Yes, on

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WhatsApp, which was stuck in a complete deadlock and

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Russians, Belarusians, so you included

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WhatsApp here, right? I'm saying I'll leave

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now, I'll talk and leave

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and we also need to talk to them

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they went somewhere to the residence, bro

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they took this conductor there

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and such

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and other things, you know

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in the X century and

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19th century, something like that

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I see. What were they willing to do if

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to leave all these things there

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we need to understand that they were willing

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to do a lot of things in words, but we

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understood that each side has

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its own game, so all this game directly

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depended on successes or failures on the

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front. Well, in words, they said that

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everything, let's go home, where

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you were, there, 1

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2T 45, take it all and then in detail

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we will stand until you accept everything. Because

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we can, we understand how you act, you

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will sign something, then we will leave

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you will say that it is a disgraceful matter and you will do nothing

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and they always blamed you for not fulfilling

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this Minsk agreement, that you don't fulfill it

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signed, ratified, uh-huh, and don't

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fulfill it, despite the presence of

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international guarantees, it doesn't work

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only when tanks are standing under the parliament

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conditionally

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Well, look, Putin showed

534
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a document and for the result of the negotiations with the Belarusian

535
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,799
African delegation, he demonstrated this

536
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:34,039
where and how. He claims

537
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:36,000
a drafted peace agreement with

538
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,320
Ukraine and supposedly this document was

539
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,000
initialled in

540
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,080
Istanbul. This document was called an agreement

541
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,480
on permanent neutrality of Ukraine and

542
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,760
security guarantees. Putin said that there were

543
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,919
18 articles and as he said, I quote

544
00:24:54,919 --> 00:24:56,840
everything is prescribed from combat equipment to

545
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,039
the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He said that there is a signature of the

546
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:01,960
head of the delegation. So Putin claimed, why

547
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,480
didn't he make this document public? You

548
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,000
paid attention. What do you think

549
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,960
why, if he had a document, he would

550
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,799
have made it public? The goal

551
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:13,840
of the Ukrainian

552
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,159
delegation was to delay the process, the goal

553
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:18,000
of the Russian delegation was the goal

554
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,799
of the Russian delegation, in my opinion, was

555
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:24,399
to show that they really, really almost until

556
00:25:24,399 --> 00:25:25,960
the end hoped that they would

557
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,200
pressure us to sign the agreement and

558
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,919
take neutrality. This was the biggest thing for them, for them to

559
00:25:30,919 --> 00:25:33,840
be ready to end

560
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,559
the war. If we

561
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:39,279
let's take Finland as an example, they once had

562
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:41,799
neutrality and made a commitment that they would not

563
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:43,919
join NATO, except for one

564
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:47,120
key point, which was

565
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,120
the only important point. Everything else was

566
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,799
cosmetic political

567
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,240
adjustments, like

568
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,399
denazification of the Russian-speaking population and

569
00:25:57,399 --> 00:25:59,960
blah blah blah. Why did Ukraine not agree

570
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,720
point? Well, first of all, in order to agree

571
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,360
to this

572
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:09,000
point, we would have to change

573
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,080
the Constitution. Secondly, there is no trust and there

574
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,000
was no trust that the Russians would do

575
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,799
it. This could only be done if there were

576
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,679
security guarantees. We couldn't just

577
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:23,279
sign something and then everyone would have a breather

578
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:26,000
and then they would come back more prepared

579
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,679
because they actually entered

580
00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:30,799
unprepared, yes, to such resistance. Therefore, we could only work when there was

581
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,120
a hundred percent certainty that it would not

582
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,799
happen again. And there is no such certainty

583
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:38,399
anymore. Moreover, when we returned from

584
00:26:38,399 --> 00:26:40,360
Istanbul, Boris Johnson came to Kyiv

585
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,640
and said that we would not

586
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,399
sign anything with them at all and let's just

587
00:26:44,399 --> 00:26:47,120
fight. Am I understanding correctly that

588
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,640
Boris Johnson's visit was like a

589
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,320
fire truck that flew in

590
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,159
already at that time?

591
00:26:56,159 --> 00:27:00,120
when I say Yes, it's not from myself

592
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,840
I say it on behalf of those people who are currently

593
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,720
opposing the political power in Ukraine from

594
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,039
internal people who said that you could

595
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:12,919
have already signed these treacherous

596
00:27:12,919 --> 00:27:15,360
agreements on the neutral status of

597
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:19,880
Ukraine, but as soon as Johnson arrived, he

598
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,760
said no agreements at all

599
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,760
that's what only people who

600
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,720
want to twist any event there say

601
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,080
political s

602
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,200
in order for us to be able to sign, watch

603
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,440
No, I couldn't sign it, nor any

604
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,919
member of the delegation, we don't

605
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:37,440
even have the legal right to sign anything

606
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,600
correctly. So this is only

607
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,399
theoretically possible if there was a

608
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:45,200
meeting between Zelensky and Putin, theoretically

609
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,559
sign something afterwards. This would have to be

610
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,240
ratified in parliament, so when

611
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,240
people say they only say it to

612
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,760
an unprepared reader or viewer or

613
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,799
listener, how much this process was influenced by

614
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,679
Belarus and Istanbul was influenced by

615
00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:04,519
Washington, London, Warsaw, not at all

616
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,080
controlled by Berlin, not controlled at all, but

617
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,039
by agreement, so they understood that we

618
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:12,120
had a group immediately created a group

619
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,039
of advisers from these countries, our

620
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,960
partners, but we gave them information

621
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,440
in a measured way from the point of view of the law, a little

622
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,000
informational, so that it would not

623
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,799
pour out, you saw that

624
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,279
everything went discreetly, because we

625
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,760
were just measuring it, so they knew everything

626
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,000
especially when we were drafting

627
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,840
some documents, they had access to all

628
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,480
documents. And we consulted with them, of course, because we

629
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,080
understood that we couldn't win the war

630
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,360
ourselves, so we definitely need them.

631
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,279
they were happy to discuss this issue with us

632
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,919
and actually advised us not to go

633
00:28:46,919 --> 00:28:49,159
with any

634
00:28:49,159 --> 00:28:51,960
ephemeral security guarantees

635
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,880
that were impossible to give at that time

636
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,960
they say it's just an attempt to somehow

637
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,360
claim that we

638
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,200
successfully accomplished it. I believe that if on a

639
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,279
ten-point scale, we

640
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:06,600
definitely succeeded. We made it so

641
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,000
that they relaxed a bit and then everything shifted

642
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,320
completely towards the military direction. Have you ever

643
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,320
thought that all of this could already

644
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,640
belong to someone else

645
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,640
no, I wasn't there. No, there were two days when they

646
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,200
said that they had already started blocking the Odessa highway

647
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,960
I went home for the first time

648
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,679
I live on the Odessa highway, so I went to see if the Russians would come

649
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:35,440
home to see if there was anything there

650
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,080
some documents, I took out some permits

651
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,240
for weapons, there was something there and that's it

652
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,600
I went there once and then I really

653
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,799
believed that the city would be surrounded. So

654
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:49,120
when did you enter? On the 23rd, entered on the 24th

655
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,240
in the morning, that's when the rockets came. So you

656
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,000
went to the office and that was it, you didn't come back

657
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,930
[music]

658
00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:00,480
did you feel that it was the most

659
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,519
protected place there?

660
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:07,679
No, it's somehow not the most

661
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:09,919
I planned to go there, but then we couldn't

662
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,120
As soon as the opportunity arose

663
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,399
I found out that it was already

664
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:17,440
a very depressing situation

665
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,440
There was no electricity and

666
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,360
when someone turned on the lights

667
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,760
your day started

668
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,640
if they turned it off, your day ended

669
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,399
Then we went to Belarus

670
00:30:29,399 --> 00:30:30,440
I remember that his security guard

671
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,760
told us not to eat anything

672
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,320
But we were eating all day

673
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,159
When we arrived, we had some

674
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:40,080
rooms assigned to us

675
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,039
I opened the fridge and there was some

676
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:47,360
sausage and other things

677
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,679
I tried everything and ate everything

678
00:30:50,679 --> 00:30:53,919
He watched me and endured

679
00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:56,240
until the border, until the very border

680
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,039
I said I would eat for everyone if needed

681
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:01,799
Don't mention the bad luck

682
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:03,840
As they say

683
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,120
when the Americans realized that there were UFOs and

684
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,440
guerrilla warfare in Ukraine, it won't be

685
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,200
a full-scale battle started

686
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,559
when they realized they were

687
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:19,240
joining, I think on the fourth day

688
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,480
there was a battle at the Hostomel airport

689
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,919
Yeah, those orcs were crawling there

690
00:31:24,919 --> 00:31:28,279
So, it was a wave, wave, wave, wave, very

691
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:31,360
I understand all the allies were waiting to see if we

692
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,919
would endure because it was essentially a

693
00:31:32,919 --> 00:31:36,200
battle for capturing Kyiv so that Kyiv would be

694
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,159
captured, then they would proceed with their

695
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:40,279
scenario that was given to them by all the puppets

696
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,080
meaning they had an analytical center and everyone gave

697
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,799
them one scenario, not two or three, just one

698
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:46,919
scenario, they enter and capture Kyiv

699
00:31:46,919 --> 00:31:49,799
overthrow the government, we retreat and somewhere

700
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:51,600
there we consolidate and establish ourselves

701
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,240
in western Ukraine, we have a backup

702
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,760
some rate and we say we have a legitimate

703
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,519
Venezuelan parliament conditionally there

704
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,080
some scenario, yes, and there is its own

705
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,480
authority declared by Russia and so we somehow

706
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,760
politically fight there later

707
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,760
there was a scenario that was the only one in all

708
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,519
analytical centers, no one even

709
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,320
considered the likelihood that it would be like

710
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,000
it turned out. Luckily

711
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,480
yeah, what you say, what the partners

712
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,679
supplied us today, what is needed

713
00:32:22,679 --> 00:32:27,279
the day before yesterday is the laying of this gap on

714
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,519
what Russia did not do, not

715
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:33,000
cross or to agree with Russia after all

716
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,039
so that it doesn't get worse. Is it something

717
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,120
else? I think the main problem is that we have with

718
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,399
the war, with the fact that there is no understanding

719
00:32:43,399 --> 00:32:45,960
what to do with Russia, which

720
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,240
suffered

721
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,200
a defeat. I met with many people

722
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,200
senators, you said that

723
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,880
Russia suffered

724
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,399
a defeat. Russia suffered a defeat. They don't

725
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:01,840
understand what to do with Russia, which if

726
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,519
it suffers a defeat. Yeah, so for them

727
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:08,880
it's not yet affected, well, in Ukraine, the operation

728
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,480
War in Ukraine, they believe that we won

729
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,120
the war for independence, of course,

730
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,880
the war for territorial integrity continues.

731
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,799
But they understand that Russia is not the one

732
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,039
fighting on foreign territory, so

733
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:26,000
they don't have any internal problems and they

734
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,320
say that if Russia suffers a very

735
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,880
big defeat in Ukraine, it will provoke

736
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,919
some unclear movements and nobody knows

737
00:33:34,919 --> 00:33:36,679
where it will end up and in whose hands

738
00:33:36,679 --> 00:33:39,600
this red button will be, whether Russia

739
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,840
will remain as a territory or it will

740
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,799
start to fall apart and all this

741
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:48,679
scares them so much that they

742
00:33:48,679 --> 00:33:52,559
live internally according to the scenario of not letting

743
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,559
Ukraine

744
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,919
lose, but at the same time not letting Russia

745
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:00,960
fall apart and that's why

746
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,519
we are not satisfied with this

747
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:05,120
situation in Ukraine, you understand, and that's why

748
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,519
I think

749
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,960
politically such things happen that when

750
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,560
we need attacks, we get them

751
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,159
In a year, with big big battles at all levels. So

752
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,440
we convince you that there is also

753
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,000
a heterogeneous position there. There are people

754
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,440
who are more radical and they say that Putin

755
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,599
will never use any red buttons

756
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:27,560
in any case because he wants to live, so let's just

757
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,359
strengthen Ukraine as it should be and

758
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:31,560
in fact,

759
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,239
there are

760
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,079
many Republicans.

761
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,199
such not those not Trumpists And others

762
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,918
Republicans who are near Da And there are many

763
00:34:42,918 --> 00:34:45,079
moderate ones who say Let's already

764
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:49,839
do something so that Ukraine achieves its

765
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:53,320
goals but not to anger Russia

766
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,119
so that there is no Third

767
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,680
World War So we need to change our

768
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,440
strategy what we started this year

769
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,560
to actively develop our own sector

770
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,960
of weapons in order to ask less and do more

771
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,320
David articles amaze me

772
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,599
that come out One after another everything started

773
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:14,760
with The

774
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,040
Times and there

775
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,040
Shuster wrote such things and he

776
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,960
referred to it as supposedly quotes

777
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,240
from the president on the off-record with the hosts

778
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,839
of the nationwide telethon

779
00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:31,440
the president said that he did not

780
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,160
say that and it was an article not from his

781
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,440
words and he means it was presented like

782
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,160
that we have in your and our camp

783
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,000
there is one person who cannot be said anything about

784
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,520
and this means the real state of war is

785
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,720
the president he doesn't want to hear about

786
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:55,960
a ceasefire he doesn't want to hear about

787
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,440
what

788
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,640
is a positional deadlock then an article comes out

789
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,640
by the head of the V where he also says

790
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,839
that the war has turned into a positional war and so on

791
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:12,880
the whole world has twisted his words and

792
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,160
called it a positional deadlock and

793
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,000
a positional impasse today means

794
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,640
I was stunned by the article forріanфрс that

795
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,560
you sent to me before our interview and

796
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,119
attempts to insert Ukraine into

797
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,280
the negotiations and propose to Russia

798
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,280
to discuss consolidating the current status quo

799
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,520
which exists today. And

800
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,800
before that, I will remind you

801
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,200
There was an article in which Fograsmusen

802
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,079
proposed to join NATO with one foot

803
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,240
on the territory that means free

804
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,040
independent and then supposedly

805
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,760
another territory will join

806
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,440
according to the model of FRG and GDR or

807
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,400
the existence of Ukraine as

808
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,040
the existence of two Koreas and it is evident

809
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,599
that something is being planned for Ukraine, it is evident that these camps

810
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,160
are exhausted and exhausted In a defensive

811
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,480
sense and even in an intellectual

812
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,359
sense because no

813
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:13,839
one knows what to do next

814
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:14,720
or how

815
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,760
often How often have you come in with the words that in

816
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,079
the United States You received in that

817
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:24,000
number and a cold shower, it concerned

818
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,920
it concerned the fact that on Vyu It

819
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,960
concerned the fact that the United States for

820
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,720
them the conflict in Israel is much closer

821
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:36,040
we were at the reception of Washington

822
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,800
10 million

823
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,680
country can reduce the war to zero

824
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,240
war in Ukraine, I don't think it can be reduced to zero

825
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,319
just need to understand

826
00:37:47,319 --> 00:37:50,440
that well, the security sector will be taken care of

827
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,319
in the United States, it is understandable and

828
00:37:53,319 --> 00:37:56,119
the interests of

829
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:58,319
the United States

830
00:37:58,319 --> 00:38:01,640
for them

831
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,200
Israel is a very big

832
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,319
story. They have done

833
00:38:08,319 --> 00:38:09,640
a lot of

834
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,640
Jewish

835
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,880
lobbying in all decision-making centers at

836
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,800
all levels in the United States. And now

837
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,920
if you walk through Congress, you will see

838
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,599
congressmen's walls at the entrance. Previously, it always said "I Stand with Ukraine". But now

839
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,119
it says "I Stand with

840
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:29,640
you were at a reception with the Rebbe. I was at

841
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,480
a reception with the Rebbe, and almost

842
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,680
senators and congressmen were there, and so on

843
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,680
because for

844
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,480
them, showing solidarity with the people of

845
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,160
Israel is much more important from a

846
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,839
local politics perspective. They are still

847
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:45,599
politicians. They are elected by

848
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,560
Americans, for Americans. This

849
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,079
Israeli history is much closer to

850
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,800
three times closer than

851
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,800
Ukrainian history. This doesn't mean that they

852
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,079
are abandoning or leaving

853
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:01,960
Ukraine alone, and so on. It's just that they need to

854
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,960
understand that in terms of prioritization and values, this is number one for them. And when it becomes more heated, we

855
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,480
automatically become more

856
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,200
distant. Well, this needs to be understood, and we shouldn't

857
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,599
get offended. No one is

858
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:14,599
to

859
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:18,520
blame for

860
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,599
this. Well,

861
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,599
that's right.

862
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,640
Well, we mean that Americans

863
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,319
We don't blame anyone, but already

864
00:39:28,319 --> 00:39:29,960
if you go back to

865
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,680
the Budapest Memorandum. We

866
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,680
talked about the dismantled planes

867
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,040
and the confiscated missiles. This is what we

868
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,720
agreed on, someone made a decision in

869
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,680
Ukraine. Yesterday I spoke to someone who

870
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,760
mentioned the words of the late president

871
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,480
Kuchma, who was convinced that if we

872
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,160
didn't give up the missiles and nuclear weapons, then

873
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,160
Chechnya would not be in Chechnya, but with us in

874
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,319
Ukraine, and then Russia would follow. After

875
00:39:58,319 --> 00:40:01,839
the late president, there were certain

876
00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:05,000
grounds for this. The seat provides a

877
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,040
point of view, well, I can't not

878
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,720
say what it was like at that time, when people, well, about

879
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,040
what they

880
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,920
I can tell you about recent times, in 2015

881
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:17,839
the war

882
00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:21,079
began, not full-scale, but a war, and in

883
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:24,800
the Ministry of Defense, I was the head

884
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,200
of the volunteer council in the Ministry of Defense, I

885
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,800
remember and I was the Deputy Minister

886
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,359
of Defense under Poltorak. General

887
00:40:34,359 --> 00:40:36,680
Pavlovsky, and we had a signed

888
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,359
agreement, a long-term agreement for

889
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:41,800
the disposal of ammunition with NATO. We

890
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,040
paid the Pavlograd Chemical

891
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,240
Plant for it.

892
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:50,400
each destroyed from our warehouses ammunition

893
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,520
non-conventional non-conventional

894
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680
how much is 2 euros or 3 euros something like that

895
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,040
Well funny money alegugu Well and she

896
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,520
worked and NATO put a lot of pressure on us

897
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,640
to continue this NATO program and

898
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,680
General Pavlovsky said fire

899
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,079
me what do you want to do I won't

900
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:12,079
do it uh-huh and now if you see how

901
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,079
our drones fly at night and drop

902
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,200
such small bombs

903
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,800
from cassette ammunition, that's it, uh-huh, and

904
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,440
someone then had to say sorry for the eggs

905
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,640
NATO said no and did not do that, and someone did not have

906
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,319
and he explained that there could have been a mistake, and

907
00:41:29,319 --> 00:41:31,240
they took our weapons, they took

908
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:33,400
our weapons, look, I'll tell you about it

909
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,520
that a person should always take care of

910
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,800
national interests first and then

911
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,680
partners, you need to talk to your partner

912
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,359
we are doing a lot of things now that

913
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:47,000
they tell us, not everything is possible, but

914
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,720
when you have logic and you explain

915
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,359
and show, tell me, there is nothing to hide

916
00:41:52,359 --> 00:41:54,480
look, we have it, yes, yes, yes, and they

917
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,240
say yes, let's do it later, they

918
00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:59,119
try to pressure us because they have

919
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,440
their own interests, and we just need not

920
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,400
to create expectations in the country that someone

921
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,760
is to blame, no one is to blame, Ukraine is

922
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,040
responsible for itself, right, and we will, well

923
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,720
fight ourselves, and what to fight with, well

924
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,960
we need to do what we are doing

925
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,160
unfortunately, it really saddens me when I read on Facebook these critics who

926
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,040
say there is nothing, no ammunition factory

927
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,079
there is nothing, there

928
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:25,440
is a lot of things

929
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,800
classified and just want to raise

930
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,920
that Facebooker give him access to

931
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,000
state secrets so that he reports how

932
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,280
we report on every trip where you met

933
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,559
and went, took on all

934
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:38,680
obligations to take him to the factories or

935
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,880
should we show locations in Facebook

936
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,079
factories that were built during this

937
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,839
war, there are things I can't say

938
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:48,040
names Well, for example, things that

939
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,920
were not at all and now there are hundreds of thousands And

940
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,960
by the end of the year there will be millions and this is

941
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,520
local production Well, this needs to be somehow

942
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,839
respected, you just can't talk about it and

943
00:42:58,839 --> 00:43:01,240
to me always, you know, just sitting like

944
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,920
a dog. When they kill you, they put

945
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,480
on your head. We don't have it. You know what there is, but you can't

946
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,839
talk about

947
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:10,559
it. A lot. I think we need a lot

948
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:12,520
more and more. They won't dress one

949
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,760
argument that should have been said earlier, they will say

950
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,040
yes. But they will still say from the

951
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,359
point of view of logic and 150 million against 30

952
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:26,319
million countries and their military-industrial complex and Ukraine's military-industrial complex, they will

953
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:28,599
still present you with this calculation

954
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:30,119
obviously, you and our partners

955
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,240
present this calculation and then

956
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:34,480
write "for" and "against" in such articles, saying

957
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,000
sit down at the negotiating table in the fourth

958
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,720
paragraph they say, "And if Russia doesn't sit down

959
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:41,440
to sit at the negotiating table because it is not beneficial for her

960
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,400
to sit at the negotiating table now, then

961
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,880
Ukraine will show the whole world that Russia

962
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,240
did not want to sit at the negotiating table and this

963
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,920
will give partners the option to support

964
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,680
Ukraine even more. If you have read this

965
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,160
article to the end, see my understanding

966
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,760
and skills. Russia will immediately sit at the

967
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,839
negotiating table as soon as we call them

968
00:44:02,839 --> 00:44:04,920
to sit. The next day, they will form

969
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,040
a delegation and will already be sitting and

970
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,880
saying that Ukraine is not

971
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,400
coming, not because it is beneficial or

972
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,800
not beneficial to them, but because they clearly understand

973
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,680
that as soon as the news appears that Ukraine

974
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,280
has sat at the negotiating table, all supplies

975
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,880
that are already delayed due to

976
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,440
objective circumstances will be further delayed due to

977
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,680
subjective circumstances. They

978
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,119
dream that we will call them to sit at

979
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,200
the negotiating table because it is more beneficial

980
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,400
for them than for us. We just need to

981
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,440
perceive this with a cool head. And regarding

982
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,280
the fact that they have more mobile resources

983
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,480
than us, we do face significant challenges

984
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,160
in the country that no one is talking about

985
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,400
right now because it is not popular. For example, in

986
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,839
the Committee on National Security and Defense, we

987
00:44:50,839 --> 00:44:52,800
have many people in a closed regime

988
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,400
there, we call the General Staff, there are many people.

989
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,559
which all sectors of national security and well, we hear

990
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,280
information, there are several discussions in

991
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,760
the committee that will eventually

992
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,280
come out into society. Discussion number

993
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,720
one, why are the losses still classified?

994
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,640
Our colleagues say that

995
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,119
we believe that they should

996
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,319
be declassified because for two years

997
00:45:17,319 --> 00:45:19,480
people, citizens of Ukraine, are dying

998
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,960
they should know how many of these citizens. I don't

999
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,960
know, it's the general staff. Well, they classify and

1000
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,240
declassify, but I don't know what

1001
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,240
correct Honestly, the discussion is such

1002
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:33,960
there is a second discussion, a million people are under

1003
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,440
fire, half a million of them are fighting, 250

1004
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,000
000 are fighting on

1005
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,160
the front line with

1006
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,480
them Almost 100% without

1007
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,520
rotation, a person can fight for two years without

1008
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,960
rotation, let's do something about it

1009
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,839
no one is doing anything, do something

1010
00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:57,960
it seems that the war will end tomorrow, but

1011
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,079
that's not the case, we have no signal that

1012
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,720
it's ending, what should we do

1013
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,680
next, the third question, which is very

1014
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,400
hot in the committee, how many more people will be mobilized

1015
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,960
there is a mobilization resource, it is

1016
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,400
known if we do rotation, we need to

1017
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,960
mobilize another half of the people in the country

1018
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,960
if we don't do it, they suffer

1019
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,400
What to do, at least a short

1020
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,040
plan, even short-term, for a year, give some

1021
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,599
vision to the military leadership, they say

1022
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:32,400
give a vision, there is no vision

1023
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,359
we just live as we lived and it doesn't

1024
00:46:34,359 --> 00:46:36,359
suit us because it's also about costs, we understand

1025
00:46:36,359 --> 00:46:38,319
that we need to prepare for the fact that in

1026
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:40,400
the next year there will be electoral

1027
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,359
cycles in the European Union, in Europe, in many

1028
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:45,520
European countries, in the United States

1029
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,720
and this will definitely cause at least some disruptions

1030
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,520
in funding. And maybe even loss of

1031
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,240
some sources of funding need to be

1032
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,359
relied on their own resources

1033
00:46:56,359 --> 00:46:59,880
if we take the current war plan by the way

1034
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,839
well, we have been waiting for the committee for a long time

1035
00:47:02,839 --> 00:47:05,680
I say Look Well, we are not military, we are

1036
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,200
civilian democratic oversight

1037
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,119
oversight that should be part of the war plan for you

1038
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:12,200
the general staff must develop the planning

1039
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,480
Well, I don't know, Zaluzhny whispered there, all

1040
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,319
military leaders I'm not talking about

1041
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:18,960
personalities now, I'm talking about institutions

1042
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,880
the institution says I want to fight next

1043
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,760
year, so I need so many people, well

1044
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,599
so many people, I need to let go

1045
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:28,359
because they have been fighting so much that they can't

1046
00:47:28,359 --> 00:47:31,520
and let's say I need so much

1047
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,240
money and you don't have this plan and

1048
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:34,800
no one has such a plan in the country

1049
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,000
actually, yesterday we heard a statement that

1050
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,680
says she met with

1051
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,760
congressmen and they

1052
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,520
demand a plan, plan, plan, and plan again, and

1053
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,319
if there is no such plan, then we will suffer internally and

1054
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:48,440
externally we will look like people who

1055
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,760
just want, as they say, a never-ending war, a war that will never

1056
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,720
end None of them wants a never-ending war

1057
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,720
they want to have some kind of vision Well, I think we also have

1058
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,160
internal

1059
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,760
vision

1060
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,559


1061
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:03,880
People also want to have a vision, but we have

1062
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,040
such big things that are also unpopular

1063
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,000
to say, but sooner or later we will

1064
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,520
have to do it, it's a big corruption

1065
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,400
in the army, there are millions of people

1066
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,680
from all over the country who

1067
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,880
came there, it's fuel manipulation

1068
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,800
with money and so on

1069
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,280
Well, we changed the law in the committee, 27

1070
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,960
000 people a year were recognized as

1071
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,359
limited outside the staff, they were

1072
00:48:32,359 --> 00:48:35,520
getting 800 UAH per month and they can't

1073
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,920
return home and serve, and 800

1074
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,720
UAH per month, you understand, it's just

1075
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,960
slavery, 22 000

1076
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,000
people, for example, do we need to

1077
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,520
demobilize people who have cancer because

1078
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,720
now there are many people with cancer in

1079
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,520
the army. I believe that's what we're preparing

1080
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,680
a complex, we have a lot of

1081
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,079
internal contradictions about this. Well, regarding

1082
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,079
these things, for example, a person who

1083
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,480
was captured didn't surrender herself. There is

1084
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,319
verification and then we

1085
00:49:09,319 --> 00:49:12,000
exchanged her and she was also mobilized. Should

1086
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,440
we give her permission to

1087
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,960
demobilize? I believe we need to

1088
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,920
what the military-political

1089
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,559
leadership leans towards,

1090
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:25,480
to fight or to accept

1091
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,160
proposals that are now being discussed from different angles

1092
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,599
but are being written about in the Western

1093
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:35,839
press, look now, I think that all

1094
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:38,480
the leadership of Ukraine, military and political, and

1095
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,359
military, about the fact that

1096
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:44,400
we should fight. Why? Because we cannot

1097
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,400
sit down at the negotiating table, we have a

1098
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,799
very bad negotiating position. What will

1099
00:49:49,799 --> 00:49:51,760
we do now, sit where we are

1100
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,000
let's just finish. Well, you

1101
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,960
do you think that Ukrainian society

1102
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,400
will accept I generally believe that if not

1103
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,960
the war ended except for a complete Victory

1104
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,520
Yeah everything else has to go through

1105
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,720
a referendum because I'm not I'm sure not

1106
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,040
I don't know if it can be organic you know

1107
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,839
the ending like in Korea where nothing was

1108
00:50:10,839 --> 00:50:13,920
signed Yeah then maybe if

1109
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,160
something someone will sign Well I don't and this

1110
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,680
then it will need to be ratified in

1111
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,760
parliament well parliament just well one

1112
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,480
kill each other there will be very polar views and

1113
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,559
such things I think it's just necessary

1114
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,799
to do through a referendum Because when the people

1115
00:50:30,799 --> 00:50:33,799
say that it's necessary Yes then I will vote not

1116
00:50:33,799 --> 00:50:36,440
well without looking I just my opinion far away

1117
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,880
I will put it and I will do as the People said

1118
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,160
and if the deputies say it

1119
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,520
decide Well I don't I don't feel in myself

1120
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,440
the strength to decide let alone someone

1121
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,280
agitate for something because this is a question of each

1122
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,640
citizen individual I don't understand how it can be

1123
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,000
will be done Honestly speaking

1124
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,440
that

1125
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,480
Zelensky He said he was preparing

1126
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,640
some or preparing some state

1127
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,119
coup and he was provided with data

1128
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:09,040
intelligence also there were hearings at

1129
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,119
the committee operation that's

1130
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,880
what the Russians called it

1131
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,280
because many people for some reason got offended by Maidan

1132
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,319
3 Well, the Russians simply called it

1133
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:23,720
quoted, well, as it is mentioned

1134
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:26,440
Maidan 3 supposedly

1135
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,040
the idea is to provoke a strong conflict

1136
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,960
among everyone, well, historically

1137
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,040
we have all the conditions for it, we

1138
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,160
always professionally argue, I call it the 18th

1139
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,440
year of the last century, yes, Skoropadsky

1140
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,000
Petliura Hrushevsky Vynnychenko, and it's very

1141
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,280
easy, and that's why it's very important now

1142
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,400
to communicate with everyone and do everything

1143
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,720
so that we have such exercise dialogues

1144
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:57,200
Jean Monnet when all the heads of factions

1145
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,799
and we sit in an off-record mode for

1146
00:52:01,799 --> 00:52:04,200
the facilitation of the former head of

1147
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,839
the European Parliament, Pat Cox, we did it

1148
00:52:06,839 --> 00:52:09,319
last week and we

1149
00:52:09,319 --> 00:52:12,079
signed all that we are all against

1150
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,799
having elections until the end of the war. Yes

1151
00:52:14,799 --> 00:52:18,240
he promoted it. I think it's necessary. Well

1152
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:22,680
to convey to everyone so that everyone finally

1153
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,440
calms down and focuses

1154
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,480
because we need to win, yes, and everything

1155
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,680
we have recorded it in writing

1156
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,319
as a memorandum among all political forces

1157
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:36,880
I think it's important and for all people

1158
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,960
to stop, especially in the regions, it's sensitive

1159
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,640
And I really, you know, well, we have different regions

1160
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,559
living differently, hypothetical Uzhhorod

1161
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:47,599
conditional Lviv and conditional Mykolaiv or

1162
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:50,200
Kherson are different regions from the point of view

1163
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,480
of the present. And when they hear somewhere

1164
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,440
that there are elections there, someone is preparing here

1165
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,280
they say what elections, here the hail is flying

1166
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,000
something else is flying, S-300, what elections are you talking about

1167
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,799
they have completely lost their minds and something

1168
00:53:03,799 --> 00:53:06,160
needs to be answered. But there is nothing to answer because

1169
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,240
these are rumors and the more you deny the rumors

1170
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:09,839
the more they believe that you

1171
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:11,599
are intentionally doing it to

1172
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:14,000
relax them so that they are not

1173
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,000
prepared for these

1174
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,760
elections. There will definitely be no elections in

1175
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,720
the next year. Let's talk about

1176
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,640
at least for that planning period

1177
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,920
What we more or less understand is that

1178
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,040
there will be no elections and we need to

1179
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,720
continue to prepare, we need to

1180
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:32,520
focus on the diplomatic

1181
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,559
front because we will face challenges

1182
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:38,559
there no less than on the military

1183
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,079
front. It has started and it's

1184
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:43,559
very scary or very unpredictable

1185
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:45,640
unpredictable. I believe that we should look

1186
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,319
at it right now. Well, I see, I am the head of the friendship group

1187
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:51,720
of the Ukrainian parliament and

1188
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:52,920
the American Congress and I communicate a lot with

1189
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,079
them, there are positions among the Republicans

1190
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,480
that we really like.

1191
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,559
and this is not

1192
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:03,480
individual positions, just this wing

1193
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,200
of trampists, they really try there

1194
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,000
you know, the office of simple solutions, let's

1195
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,240
finish quickly, let's talk about other things

1196
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,000
it won't work like that, well, I think

1197
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,280
there is still a very

1198
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,880
strong institutional state, the United States has a lot

1199
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,839
of checks and balances, what they call, yes, there

1200
00:54:20,839 --> 00:54:22,440
So there, it's not possible

1201
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,240
even Trump is afraid to do that

1202
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:30,040
I will tell you, in NATO they are afraid that Trump

1203
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,680
will come and say that simply that the United

1204
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,799
States are leaving NATO and that means

1205
00:54:34,799 --> 00:54:37,760
the end of NATO practically. Well, there are

1206
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,400
such concerns. So, it's not all

1207
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,160
Ukraine-centric, these are global issues that

1208
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,680
Ukraine is now a very influential

1209
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,440
player and I have a few questions

1210
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,079
and I would like to ask them to you in a few

1211
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:55,520
months before the full-scale war meeting

1212
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,480
with the oligarch Firtash

1213
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Yes, you were discussing the escalation with

1214
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,960
Russia in general, I had very simple

1215
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,559
questions. We

1216
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:10,200
were taking titanium

1217
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,720
enterprises, he captured a lot of them

1218
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:15,920
I tried to explain to him that he needs to

1219
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,119
return them, it was a very simple conversation

1220
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:22,720
one-sided, almost. Then everything that

1221
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,160
happened after that, you see, everyone

1222
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,280
took it back, nationalized it, we are taking

1223
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,799
titanium, imposed sectoral sanctions

1224
00:55:30,799 --> 00:55:33,119
well, I'm returning you to the oligarchs

1225
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,520
now, if you haven't noticed. Well, I

1226
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,520
don't consider him an oligarch anymore after

1227
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,240
what we did to him. I don't think he's an oligarch

1228
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,440
well, he's a wealthy person with

1229
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,480
many international problems, legally. So,

1230
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,160
you are the one

1231
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,680
the duke who came from the king and handed

1232
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,039
him a black mark honestly not from the king

1233
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:57,799
He came from Rustem Merova then

1234
00:55:57,799 --> 00:56:01,799
he managed the state property fund And he then And I

1235
00:56:01,799 --> 00:56:04,640
talked to E. Firtash's

1236
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,039
structures because in Mykolaiv They

1237
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:08,640
have a big port it's a big taxpayer

1238
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,680
so I had an acquaintance and

1239
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,799
he tells me And can you talk

1240
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:14,799
about it I say there's no problem at all I

1241
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:17,200
didn't hide it in any way when well

1242
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,160
I I I basically said that I

1243
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,240
met I came and said 1 2T Well

1244
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:23,920
there such

1245
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,440
one-sided it didn't work out I actually

1246
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,440
thought it would work out that he would just be a little

1247
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:29,760
smarter

1248
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,440
talk about what literally happened there in

1249
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,720
a week before the full-scale

1250
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:36,960
war one Oligarch insured his

1251
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,400
factory and then the city where this factory stood

1252
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,799
was destroyed by the Russians and for years

1253
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:48,240
so this same Oligarch said that we need to talk to the bald devil just to avoid

1254
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,359
war and then the city from which he

1255
00:56:50,359 --> 00:56:53,960
left was occupied by separatists

1256
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,000
who received weapons there in

1257
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,200
bathhouses or somewhere else

1258
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,920
and then he practically surrendered the city he was in charge of which

1259
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,960
was the king of

1260
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,960
that city And for

1261
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,680
A few months ago, this same Oligarch invited

1262
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,720
one mayor, one TV presenter, and one

1263
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,480
member of parliament to Vilnius, where they

1264
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,119
celebrated the birthday of I.

1265
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:26,160
He had a conversation with those people, and then

1266
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,200
the president, at a press conference, mentioned that

1267
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,720
there were plans for a coup and war.

1268
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,000
Then there was a situation with power outages

1269
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,680
that you may remember, which were practiced in

1270
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,200
Kyiv region, when one Oligarch tried to prove that

1271
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,680
he had power and he, so to speak, dictated to

1272
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,319
the state and the president, Zelensky, about his position.

1273
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:49,119
Now, YouTube channels talk about the need for elections

1274
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,359
and constantly compare Zelensky with Zaluzhny

1275
00:57:52,359 --> 00:57:53,720
and Zelensky says that it's not that simple and

1276
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,480
the political situation is becoming more tense.

1277
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,319
It's like in a Soviet song, where

1278
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:04,119
I just want to sing, "Tell me his name, this is

1279
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:07,880
all one chain."

1280
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,799
Look, this is how our country works, when

1281
00:58:09,799 --> 00:58:11,880
as soon as someone starts something, the number of people

1282
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,640
joining in,

1283
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,559
for

1284
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:19,880
their

1285
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,319
own

1286
00:58:23,319 --> 00:58:26,000
reasons, is

1287
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,319


1288
00:58:27,319 --> 00:58:29,680
very

1289
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,799
high.

1290
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:35,720


1291
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,720
or how many people do we have now

1292
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,960
who believe that we need to have elections as soon as possible

1293
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,280
there are many people who

1294
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,200
want this government to leave or be reduced

1295
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,839
its influence or be balanced or

1296
00:58:48,839 --> 00:58:52,440
they themselves want to come to power, I just

1297
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,280
one thing is unclear, I believe that we need

1298
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,119
openly, well, now is the time during

1299
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:02,240
war people need to be more open from

1300
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,240
point of view

1301
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,079
To me, it seems that people do not perceive the essence of my communication.

1302
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:08,799
I think they do not understand these games.

1303
00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:11,440
I believe it is necessary to openly

1304
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,960
say it. For example, if someone from

1305
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,880
the military wants to go into politics, they should

1306
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,359
be able to do so. It is normal because

1307
00:59:18,359 --> 00:59:21,200
according to the Constitution, everyone has the right

1308
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,440
to run for office if they meet the criteria.

1309
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,160
To me, this is normal. I believe that the next

1310
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,760
parliament will have many military personnel or

1311
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,960
former military personnel, or even volunteers.

1312
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,720
Just like in 2014. However, those who predict

1313
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,200
its life say that it will be short-lived

1314
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,000
because there will be constant conflicts.

1315
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,920
I see how the parliament works from the inside

1316
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,520
and such parties will immediately break apart

1317
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,319
as soon as a controversial law is passed.

1318
00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:44,440
I see it. They all believe that you are talking about direct

1319
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,079
communication. Who is this person who

1320
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:49,839
gave up their channel half a year before the war

1321
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:51,440
and went to regulate things with President Zelensky?

1322
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,160
I know that he will not go into politics.

1323
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,599
Well,

1324
00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:59,119
now

1325
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:02,200


1326
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,839
it's

1327
01:00:04,839 --> 01:00:08,240


1328
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,240


1329
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:11,720
different.

1330
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,000


1331
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,200
people somehow this parliament

1332
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,960
is not really because we are special

1333
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,559
it's just that it was a historical time

1334
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:24,960
first we lifted immunity and we

1335
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,520
actually read there about that deputy

1336
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,000
he was arrested there accusing him

1337
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,079
of things that were impossible before

1338
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:35,000
SAP and VAX were established as an

1339
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,960
anti-corruption infrastructure and it

1340
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,599
really works as a separate branch It

1341
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:42,640
doesn't agree with anyone about anything

1342
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,240
well when it was in the news the Americans

1343
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,839
were shocked When I said that we

1344
01:00:48,839 --> 01:00:50,920
found out in the news that the head of the Supreme Court

1345
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,760
was arrested they say it's impossible you

1346
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,720
are just hiding and lying they say

1347
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,400
that in the United States it wouldn't be like that I

1348
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,920
would punish as it would be in the United States they

1349
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,200
say they would go to the president and lay

1350
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,200
it down he would say don't tarnish the image

1351
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,400
of the institution he would summon this head

1352
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:15,680
Knyazev and say you have one hour and

1353
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,640
then leave so as not to cast a shadow on the institution

1354
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,319
well we haven't reached that yet

1355
01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:23,400
we still have to live through our democracy

1356
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,039
so now we have a completely different reality

1357
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:27,319
and that's why no one will rush to the parliament anymore

1358
01:01:27,319 --> 01:01:28,839
most of the people who are in the parliament now

1359
01:01:28,839 --> 01:01:30,839
will not go there voluntarily they just won't go why

1360
01:01:30,839 --> 01:01:33,079
because there's nothing to do there

1361
01:01:33,079 --> 01:01:37,280
So if you want to work for the benefit

1362
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,160
of the state and pass laws because many

1363
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,440
people want executive power, they say

1364
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,440
there is a gap between what you

1365
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,720
have passed as a law and when it

1366
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,359
starts working and you will see it

1367
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:51,319
there in a few years. Not everyone

1368
01:01:51,319 --> 01:01:53,559
has this patience, they want

1369
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:55,480
to do something immediately and see

1370
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,400
instant results. Many businessmen

1371
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,039
who are now in parliament, they used

1372
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:01,839
to have immunity, they simply won't

1373
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:04,200
go to parliament anymore. We have

1374
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,520
made a law on life imprisonment, which

1375
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,720
is essentially a financial

1376
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,359
monitoring and declaration control

1377
01:02:12,359 --> 01:02:14,160
the strictest in the world. Well, you

1378
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:15,599
also gave me a wave, it seems to me

1379
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:17,760
that you have just humiliated yourself. Well, they

1380
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,000
demanded that it be life imprisonment, it

1381
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,200
doesn't sound like life imprisonment, but in fact it is

1382
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,760
life imprisonment, it says that you have three years and

1383
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,359
after a year, after another year

1384
01:02:26,359 --> 01:02:29,319
a risk-oriented approach. I ask, I ask

1385
01:02:29,319 --> 01:02:31,279
Roxalana Pidlasa, we have a head

1386
01:02:31,279 --> 01:02:34,640
of the budget committee, a very professional

1387
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,079
person, young, with a career ahead. I say

1388
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:40,200
Roxalana, so you have already passed it.

1389
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,279
Read the law on what is risk-oriented

1390
01:02:43,279 --> 01:02:45,240
approach. Will you be risk-oriented?

1391
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,760
In 10 years, she reads And it says

1392
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,720
that depending on how a person

1393
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,079
interacted with public

1394
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:54,880
financial management, she became the head of the budget

1395
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,200
committee. And in 50 years, her children and grandchildren will

1396
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,039
be bothering her because she

1397
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:02,079
managed public finances.

1398
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:05,799
So please, 100 500 checks.

1399
01:03:05,799 --> 01:03:09,920
And before the war, the TV presenter

1400
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,359
had such a remote discussion with the president.

1401
01:03:12,359 --> 01:03:15,160
He said to Zelensky it was impressive

1402
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,720
it was disgraceful such a disgraceful episode

1403
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,799
when he said they will gather

1404
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:23,319
five oligarchs on some island

1405
01:03:23,319 --> 01:03:26,279
they will drink well

1406
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:31,680
and you will disappear they will remove you

1407
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,920
these oligarchs And you say well this person

1408
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,079
will no longer have an influence And what about

1409
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,799
buying cool mansions in London well how

1410
01:03:41,799 --> 01:03:44,160
will a businessman influence his business

1411
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,799
Maybe there will be some regulations in his

1412
01:03:45,799 --> 01:03:48,119
business but he won't play politics that's my

1413
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:50,160
well that's my personal opinion there is no

1414
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,760
game in it anymore before it was

1415
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,200
some kind of confrontation between one and

1416
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,880
another if one has a faction the other should

1417
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,680
also have a faction so when there are mouths

1418
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,079
of experts TV presenters and MPs

1419
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:07,279
who previously led the presidential

1420
01:04:07,279 --> 01:04:09,680
campaign talking about the fact that

1421
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,160
the President must go He must fulfill his

1422
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,359
promise He said he will go and he

1423
01:04:14,359 --> 01:04:16,880
must go after a five-year

1424
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,160
term and go quickly and from the

1425
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,559
first when his term ends

1426
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:25,400
they will say to him that you are

1427
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,760
illegitimate I want to wait until

1428
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,680
the first illegitimate they will say no

1429
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,960
I don't think I

1430
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,920
will say that and more than that I

1431
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,200
By the way, in order for Russians not to

1432
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,720
say that, we need to submit a request to

1433
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,400
the Constitutional Court from the

1434
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,039
members of parliament, for example, regarding this

1435
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:44,599
issue, so that they can provide clarification and

1436
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:47,000
put an end to all manipulations

1437
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,839
because, you know, we have all these

1438
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:54,119
armchair experts, every day a new

1439
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:57,279
topic, which they will all be experts on

1440
01:04:57,279 --> 01:04:59,799
the Constitution of Ukraine and its interpretation

1441
01:04:59,799 --> 01:05:02,160
in March. We just need an institution for this

1442
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,799
and let it provide a reasoned answer as to what

1443
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:08,079
to do. As they explain to us now, this is not

1444
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,279
a decision of the Constitutional Court in the form

1445
01:05:10,279 --> 01:05:12,000
of consultation, it is the same provision

1446
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,960
in a different section of the Constitution

1447
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,920
that is still in effect until a new one is adopted

1448
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,279
and the judicial branch of power is independent

1449
01:05:19,279 --> 01:05:21,119
well, the Constitutional Court, after that and that

1450
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:24,799
court, which restores

1451
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:27,039
and says what

1452
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:28,799
President Zelensky was wrong when he

1453
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:31,440
dismissed Tupitsky, that's what it's about

1454
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,000
independence, we understand that

1455
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,079
it's just corporate solidarity, the courts

1456
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:38,599
are corporately not going to

1457
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:40,559
turn President Zelensky's skin inside out

1458
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:42,319
Watch, we don't have any other

1459
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:47,200
watch, we are doing By the way, a reform

1460
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,720
European Union insists that we provide

1461
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,680
a new selection process for judges there

1462
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,960
Constitutional Court, we have already accepted

1463
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,400
there seems to be a separate law that

1464
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,119
allows the process to start directly

1465
01:06:02,119 --> 01:06:03,760
and we will have a normal constitutional

1466
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,160
court. I generally believe that what we

1467
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,279
started to do with judicial reform

1468
01:06:08,279 --> 01:06:10,760
unfortunately, it takes a long time, it annoys many people

1469
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,000
first of all, people on the streets, but still

1470
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,359
in three years we will reboot the entire

1471
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:20,039
judicial branch of power properly

1472
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:22,520
through international competitions, through verification

1473
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,079
of integrity and it will be good. That's what I will

1474
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:27,880
tell my children. If we go back to the episode

1475
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,279
on the direct channel in 2019, you said

1476
01:06:31,279 --> 01:06:33,960
about Kolomoisky prophetic words, you will

1477
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,160
see my connections with Kolomoisky from

1478
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,039
my point of view, how I will act - he said

1479
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:41,760
to you, you reminded him of the situation with your mother

1480
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,839
as a teacher, in this interview you said

1481
01:06:44,839 --> 01:06:46,760
that she was grading so that no one would think

1482
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,920
that she was giving me any privileges. But you

1483
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,720
were in the same school, you studied, she

1484
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,559
taught.

1485
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:54,640


1486
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,160
and you said that I think that such

1487
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,400
attitude will be towards Zelensky from

1488
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,119
Kolomoisky why the president started with

1489
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,440
an oligarch who supported him in the elections

1490
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,680
Well, because it seems to me that if you

1491
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,559
want to show that

1492
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:08,240
you

1493
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,319
don't want any specific message, then

1494
01:07:11,319 --> 01:07:13,000
first of all, they will ask you, "And what about

1495
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,440
him?" So he is the first one, he should

1496
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,559
understand from the very first day how you

1497
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:22,160
think we

1498
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,640
will see through n with Kolomoisky

1499
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,799
Ahmetov and so on, all

1500
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:31,200
oligarchs I don't know if they will be

1501
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,279
there is no such prison at all Honestly

1502
01:07:34,279 --> 01:07:38,160
speaking, the task of such a task is never

1503
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,880
when we say deoligarchization it does not mean

1504
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,960
to put oligarchs in prison it means

1505
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,440
to stop the influence of oligarchs on politics

1506
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,079
let them be big

1507
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:51,400
businessmen Honestly speaking As a former

1508
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,119
businessman myself, I want us to have a force

1509
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,520
there was such a thick Book so that we could have

1510
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,319
as many rich

1511
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:00,680
people as possible, we have such a discussion in

1512
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,480
society that if you are rich you are a bad

1513
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,160
person This is not about oligarchs, even just

1514
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,359
about rich people, everyone says that they are all

1515
01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:09,480
bad people I don't understand why

1516
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,359
at all Communist psychology a little bit

1517
01:08:12,359 --> 01:08:14,720
we need to change this I want people like

1518
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,040
Nova Poshta, Rozetka, these new

1519
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,198
businessmen of the new generation to be

1520
01:08:19,198 --> 01:08:21,198
Well, I don't know, not dozens, actually very

1521
01:08:21,198 --> 01:08:23,880
few businessmen and this war does not

1522
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,000
contribute at all They want to build something there

1523
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,560
abroad and then

1524
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,640
just go abroad I want everyone to

1525
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,238
come back home and create

1526
01:08:32,238 --> 01:08:34,560
additional value here otherwise we don't have

1527
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,839
look at one question - it's war and the other

1528
01:08:38,839 --> 01:08:41,198
question is what will happen after the war When it will be

1529
01:08:41,198 --> 01:08:42,359
million

1530
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:44,839
veterans no one is talking about it now

1531
01:08:44,839 --> 01:08:45,759
only

1532
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:48,799
whispering and we can see the experience

1533
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:51,198
of all other countries where these figures were not

1534
01:08:51,198 --> 01:08:53,759
millions but just hundreds of thousands and

1535
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:56,279
how many years decades With this, we

1536
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,238
had to work And that's why we need to talk about it

1537
01:08:59,238 --> 01:09:02,040
at least Well, I don't know, the first and the third

1538
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,839
question that personally bothers me a lot

1539
01:09:04,839 --> 01:09:07,880
the worst demographic situation

1540
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,799
in

1541
01:09:09,799 --> 01:09:12,359
the world you understand that countries

1542
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:15,040
prosper only those who

1543
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,319
have positive dynamics with

1544
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,839
population only such and we need to work on this

1545
01:09:20,839 --> 01:09:23,920
too I worked with six children

1546
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,198
maybe I can have one or two more not everyone

1547
01:09:26,198 --> 01:09:30,649
has to work not everyone

1548
01:09:30,649 --> 01:09:33,679
[laughter]

1549
01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:37,399
to work the last obvious question

1550
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:40,839
that is now on the lips of everyone watching

1551
01:09:40,839 --> 01:09:42,759
this

1552
01:09:42,759 --> 01:09:45,120
interview How will it end? How will it end when

1553
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,880
it ends? I don't know what scenario

1554
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,279
is watching here it's not even up to

1555
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:53,719
us anymore and it only depends on the aggressor

1556
01:09:53,719 --> 01:09:55,960
now the situation is such that it depends on

1557
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,040
many stakeholders and it has to somehow

1558
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,400
end

1559
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:02,679


1560
01:10:02,679 --> 01:10:05,120
to synchronize and it's difficult, I just want

1561
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,560
to call out to everyone who

1562
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,320
is watching us, they need to see

1563
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,320
you know what Americans really like

1564
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,320
they have all sorts of quarrels internally

1565
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,480
when they come to us and not

1566
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:17,280
just for us, but simply go abroad

1567
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,480
to other countries. They always say a lot

1568
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:22,400
of respect to the president there, if they

1569
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,199
are Republicans. It doesn't matter, they

1570
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:28,679
only care about their country being good. But

1571
01:10:28,679 --> 01:10:30,880
unfortunately, we don't have such a tradition yet

1572
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,880
our officials go abroad, the opposition

1573
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,719
tells them stories. And all of this is always

1574
01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:41,560
taken, then our enemies take

1575
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,840
and use it against us. So, this is the tradition

1576
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,000
that we need, we need to talk about it

1577
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,480
in these dialogues. I think that we need

1578
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:51,000
to develop such a tradition that when

1579
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,159
we go abroad, we are all together

1580
01:10:53,159 --> 01:10:55,400
however, the team that came back can

1581
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,400
fight each other here, but abroad we are

1582
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,800
all one team called Ukraine

1583
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,280
to be one team, well, partially. I think that

1584
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,640
the Russians should be under the boot, yes, I

1585
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,760
believe that honestly. I remember

1586
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,120
the first year of the war and now it's

1587
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,640
different years of the war, it's different from the first year

1588
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,199
we were all united like never before and

1589
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:21,080
even their intelligence, we were just

1590
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,640
they intercept they say there is no gap where

1591
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,920
you can hide sincerely they were yes then sincere

1592
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:33,360
and yeah now it's not like that and there will be more

1593
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,080
accumulating fatigue some quarrels there and

1594
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,639
so on and so forth you just need By the way, I can

1595
01:11:39,639 --> 01:11:42,199
say that the President he understood that

1596
01:11:42,199 --> 01:11:45,480
people there are tired And in his team

1597
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:49,080
he made such unions there too In our

1598
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,800
inside too everything is not homogeneous and he said that

1599
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,080
he looks Well, I won't Well, I don't have time

1600
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,480
to figure out Who is right and who is wrong

1601
01:11:57,480 --> 01:11:58,960
just go all

1602
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,199
who have some internal intrigues

1603
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:04,120
he said so. And well, it was

1604
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,560
a very open and normal conversation and

1605
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,920
everyone there, well, everyone liked it, yeah, how

1606
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,280
to scale it to the whole country, I don't know, he

1607
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:17,639
is lucky, yeah, you see, I think

1608
01:12:17,639 --> 01:12:20,560
that with COVID we already didn't know what

1609
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,480
to do, remember how it was, yeah, I remember that we

1610
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:25,800
laugh now, yeah, I remember that we

1611
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,080
on the second day of the war, somehow I just remembered

1612
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,159
about COVID and everyone says, oh, they recovered

1613
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:32,760
from COVID in one day, when you look at

1614
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,440
people, do you have faith that we

1615
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:38,480
after the war, regardless of the outcome, will

1616
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:41,560
have, I mean, how many losses there will be

1617
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,239
how much grief there will be when the

1618
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:45,159
realization comes of how many we lost, that these

1619
01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:47,800
people, they will

1620
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,800
remain the only

1621
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,400
ones, 100%. I

1622
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,440
am sure, oh, you see, now there is a wedding, war, and everything doesn't stop because

1623
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:59,560
people still build their lives and

1624
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,760
want to build them in Ukraine, we communicate a lot

1625
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,480
with diasporas abroad and well

1626
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:06,360
half of the people, at least, definitely want

1627
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,560
to come back home, the other half already

1628
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,800
have children

1629
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,840
who go to

1630
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:18,040
school, somehow they, well

1631
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,159
they set up then their children someone

1632
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:22,280
will return anyway I'm sure everything

1633
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:25,120
still your native she Well nothing can

1634
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,960
replace just well around you no matter

1635
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,199
what kind of comfortable conditions there

1636
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:34,320
are and so on we can reconcile the Donbas

1637
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,719
which was not with us for nine

1638
01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:40,360
years it will be difficult We even have

1639
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,400
internal affairs without Donbas For example

1640
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,440
we once under the previous president

1641
01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:46,840
adopted a language law and now with it

1642
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,520
there are many issues from the point of view

1643
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,679
of European integration Hungary Romania

1644
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:56,560
minorities they are the first European Union

1645
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,480
who will be Yes the European Union will basically

1646
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:00,040
force us well

1647
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,800
force us to learn to live a little

1648
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,320
tolerantly Because in many things we

1649
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,320
do not have a tolerant policy and we

1650
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,639
will need to look for some immigration force

1651
01:14:11,639 --> 01:14:14,320
where we will take people from Ukraine to

1652
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,800
build more and also

1653
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,880
we need to become more tolerant but young people

1654
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,840
they are not very tolerant actually they are very

1655
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,639
intolerant you know

1656
01:14:23,639 --> 01:14:26,280
I haven't seen such views among the youth

1657
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,400
like saying there that there

1658
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,679
are no Indians we don't need them or something like that

1659
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:34,040
they

1660
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:34,840


1661
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,159
more such adults they are less

1662
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:39,520
tolerant I think this

1663
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,600
globalization it somehow

1664
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,679
works Thank you for this shooting Thank you

1665
01:14:44,679 --> 01:14:46,679
good sign that it's ending

1666
01:14:46,679 --> 01:14:48,719
still our future Let's

1667
01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:50,800
congratulate the young ones now let's wait for

1668
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,920
their kiss and we can shout

1669
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,400
from and we will

1670
01:14:55,400 --> 01:15:02,520
shout Bitter bitter bitter bitter

1671
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,560
bitter Oh

1672
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,480
you see thank you thank you

1673
01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:16,159
[music]

1674
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:19,159
congratulations