Zoom Call vom 3. März 2021 Live übertragen, US-Ukraine Security Dialogue 12, Eventstandort DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Ab 2 Stunden 30 in:
[In the transcript below I used auto subtitles only, I’ll be damned if I’d be forced to correct that shit one word at a time.]
Oleksandr Lytvynenko (new secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defence Council):
I’m very thankful for organizators for this - a brilliant, brilliant confer- conference because now we have a unique opportunity to listen many voices and i am really thankful for hannah [sic!] for your very interesting idea about security dialogue in luz [sic!] in historical places uh which participation of our friends from kazan [sic!] and other and others.
Unfortunately i had to be much more heavy-footed and i will to start my presentation from the very very simple things from my personal point of view.
We have in our security dialogue we have to concentrate and do on the very very practical issues such as uh cyber preparation and science development and uh signing defense cooperation agreement because we have a many very interesting and very important uh tracks for communication for cooperation but from my point of view -
now it’s time to combine off of all of them and create the so how it’s a roof common roof common umbrella for all these ways and formalize it it’s a first of all it was the first thing,
the second thing i strongly support idea of nato adjourning nato ukraine strategic course which now is a part of the constitution is needed in your membership but from my point of view if we are thinking about concrete and middle and short-term perspective it would be great at least to consider issue of the main non-nato outside nato allies of the us it would be very interesting and allows us to achieve some new opportunities this is a third one from my point of view it would be not only not only great and not only useful for ukraine but for all black sea region to enhance to strongly strengthening american naval naval and uh air force presence in the black sea now the this presence and may be one of the most important factors which countering russia which deter a cure from more active and more aggressive policy in this region it’s what i want to say i wanted to say about strategic levels on the other levels i want to insist of the importance of improvement of interoperability with u.s and ukraine security and defense sector organizations uh for us is extremely important to maintain and development uh cooperation with euro-us agencies in the direction of reshaping the doctrinal level of ukrainian security and defense sector with accordance of nato standards or if i were honest with american standards -
we need to i’m so sorry i tried to be a friend uh with you we have a very interesting and important lessons for them we paid much lessons of fighting russian from 2014 and we have to use these uh lessons and sharing these ideas with americans
we need to strengthen our cooperation in the military education and training sphere it’s extremely important to train our military and security personnel both in ukraine in the u.s so as well from my personal point of view a bigger presence in our armed forces and security force security organization people who studied studied and trained in the u.s and other western countries such as great britain and others would be extremely important important for changing our mood of our operation
and changing the organizational culture of our armed forces people must see a difference, people must see the world the third one
is extremely important for us to expanding the number and scale of joint military drills in ukrainian not in the ukrainian territory joint drills it’s not only about training it’s not only about preparation not only development of our military capacity but it’s about uh deterrence of russia as well american presence on the our soil it’s extremely important this uh third direction military technical cooperation uh
from my point of view now it’s entire time to for evaluation and revise of existing capabilities and needs for more targeting and effective military u.s military using of u.s military aid we are very thankful for 125 millions dollars of american health aide in this year but from my point my point of view we have enough resources for improvement effectiveness and i’m so i hope and we i so sorry for this uh approach uh expanded number of these aid from our point of view it’s first of all very important in the air defense naval warfare communications surveillance and other spheres from our point of view we need to improve protection of transfer technologies it’s extremely important for us it’s extremely extremely important uh expanding uh american uh investments in ukrainian military industrial complex uh we have a extremely difficult uh experience with foreign investments in this complex motor sich unfortunately motors sich case in one of the most sensitive and known from my point of view the best uh cases and from our and i think the expanding of american and other western investments would be a real solution for this situation [the situation of motors sich!] uh for us important improvement of ukrainian participation in the u.s foreign military sales program very interesting and uh were a promising uh direction enjoying financing of defense procured procurement in ukraine ukrainians funds plus u.s government programs like fmf [Foreign Military Funding] section three three authority to build capacity etc…
Sehr gut Olexander, toller Vortrag - beinhart qualifiziert dafür jetzt nach der neuen Umstrukturierung Inlandsgeheimdienstchef der Ukraine zu werden! Ich mein bei den Freunden, und dem intellektuellen Level kann ja nichts mehr schiefgehen - ich kann mir garnicht vorstellen, warum Russland den Krieg vom Stapel gebrochen haben sollte…
Ben Hodges, auch noch irgendwas dazu zu sagen?
I believe that great power competition prevents great power conflict!
And maybe even worse i mean that’s to be expected what’s worse they get zero pressure from germany and france berlin and paris have been a colossal failure at holding the kremlin accountable for what’s going on in ukraine they are two of the key nations for the Minsk process and yet i don’t feel not one one bit of pressure uh from them on the kremlin or on the so-called separatists to live up to their uh their agreements and as part of the Minsk process i’m not against Minsk we need a diplomatic framework but so far what has happened has been completely unsatisfactory and unsatisfying and i think it is time for the united states to step in to become a leading member of the Minsk process uh to to do more than just uh put lip service on all this and i think ambassador Kurt Volker has called for that for quite some time and i hope that the Biden administration will establish the role again of a special envoy specifically for this and i hope that we will get into the Minsk process again yeah it’s not all bad i was very pleased that our president designated ukraine ukrainian sovereignty as a priority for the united states in his phone call his first phone call with president putin that means crimea that means donbass sovereignty uh a priority for the united states and of course everybody that’s listening knows that what goes into whatever the president says whether it’s a speech or a phone call there’s a huge fight to make sure to get your points into that phone call your talking points and so the fact that that made it into the president’s phone call as a priority to me is very heartening.
Nein, also immer noch keine Ahnung, warum Putin diesen Krieg vom Stapel gebrochen hat.
Gen. Ben Hodges, do you have more on that please?
We haven’t always demonstrated as a government and i include the congress on this that the black sea region was a strategic importance to us that’s what’s got to change we’re talking about not just ukraine but georgia [NATO member - we promise, soon!], turkey [NATO MEMBER], romania [NATO member], moldova [Member of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council] bulgaria [NATO member] that the whole region is important to us and we have to compete in all those if we do that then i think there’s a lot less likelihood of the kremlin making a terrible miscalculation and thinking that we don’t care uh which is exactly what they accurately predicted that we would not do anything if they went into crimea they they knew that the west would not do anything because we had not competed there [military excercises] and so that’s what’s got to change now when i talk about uh competition i see the black sea as the cauldron of competition, this is the place the baltic region is important for sure, but i see Kaliningrad actually as a liability for the kremlin we’ve got so many allied nations up there in the baltic sea plus two very strong partners finland and sweden [did you mean NATO members, too soon?] it’s a different geography in the black sea region we have three nato allies they have three partners - um the relationship between turkey and the united states is in as bad a condition as i’ve seen in a long time that’s not good for the black sea region we have to fix that um the the access through the straits is controlled completely by turkey under Montreux convention and frankly um it gives the black sea fleet the numerical advantage always so so it’s a different set of conditions and i believe that the black sea is more important to the kremlin than the baltic sea it’s their launching pad for everything they do in syria in the eastern mediterranean in africa uh it’s how they influence uh activities and operations and security in the caucuses and it’s how they influence everything in the uh balkans so the black sea is essential for the kremlin that i’m not against the kremlin being able to have uh to do commerce there [.….….….….….][Almost as wonderfull as Werner Fasslabends Russia could give up the black sea as a sign of good will, and use their icefree harbor in Murmansk instead we heard last year, right?] and where it’s their territory to normal sovereignty things but i’m completely against what they do when it violates the sovereignty of others or disrupts or prevents economic development of countries in the region, but we haven’t competed there well enough yet.
Yeah no idea why Putin started this war. Any more insights, Mr Ben Hodges?
I do believe that berlin is the only capital that can influence uh kremlin behavior and unfortunately they have been reluctant to do it i was appalled like many of you when president steinmeier the president of the german federal republic made this comment about nordstrom 2 that like well you have to understand you know we’re responsible for the death of millions of russians and uh you know there’s a history here i i couldn’t believe he i can believe it but i was appalled that he said it and of course it actually was millions of ukrainians […]
I live in frankfurt it’s a incredible city great place germany our most important ally but i hear so many germans talk about well you know crimea was always russian or we have to maintain the dialogue we can’t do anything that that threatens the dialogue or we’re guilty from the war it’s unbelievable and so we’ve got to change the narrative because this this is so easy for the russians otherwise or when we talk about the separatists no they’re not separatists these are russian officers, russian commanders russian logistics, everything that happens in the Donbas only happens because of what the kremlin says and enables and because the kremlin does not allow the OSCE to do its job so this again i think this is where berlin and paris have got to step up the military domain um obviously as i’ve mentioned we’re limited on what we can do from a naval standpoint um uh is um it’s all it’s a fact and i’m not against montreux mantra, it actually can help um as long as everybody else is doing everything that they can, the mantra is not the problem.
Yeah no idea, why Putin would start a war here, no idea whatsoever…
Quick, Stephen Blank - Senior Fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, do you have any idea, why russia might break into war here?
The ukrainian defense strategy process needs to be further reformed put on a nato standard in practice not just in rhetoric the united states and europe need to continue to support ukraine and we need to put pressure on our european allies to do so and i i think one way we can do this is to hit is to take out nordstrom 2. um i’m appalled that they seem to be in an effort to uh allow nordstrom 2 to get by because it’s great it will offend the germans quite frankly i’m not upset about offending the germans, uh mr steinmeier showed that too many people in germany have no real understanding of where german interest lies and i think that needs to be brought home to them that you can’t lie in bed with the russians then expect that things are going to get better in europe.
Yeah, I have no idea, why Putin would attack there.
Putins attack was UNPROVOKED and IMPERIALISTIC, I’d say! No idea how you could read that any other way.
Well of course Chomsky and Jeffrey Sachs told us this from day one - but then you just kick them out of their roles f.e. at Project Syndicate - and make sure no one important publishes them anymore -- and then you really, really cant see how that CRAAAAAAAAZY Putin might have been provoked into an attack here…
Not today, and not in 50 years, where it would have been impossible for russia to force the status quo by military means.
Completely unprovoked imperialism I’d say.
Also HAIL TO THE RHETORICAL GENIUS THAT IS THE NEW UKRAINIAN SECURTITY CHIEF! Does he have anything more to say?
Of course he does. But of course he does…
What i do first of all,thank you so much i from my point of view it’s too difficult to expand normandy format [something by then every other panelists has alluded to, that new ukrainian security chief is one smart cookie!] but it would be great to remember about geneva in which we have americans eu and russians - maybe it could be very very interesting approach. The second one from my point of view it would be great if the u.s can uh consider the issue of special of recreation uh the post of uh special representative for regular for conflict mitigation [something by then also every other panelists has alluded to, that new ukrainian security chief is one smart cookie!] but from my point of view the most important to expand american presence and american uh participation in all in all format which it’s possible to for countering russia and to find out solution between russia and ukraine about restoring interior territorial integrity of ukraine about mitigation threats and about creation a new form of coexistence and uh i want to say very small if you want about corruption i do in ukraine i do agree that it’s fighting corruption it’s an extremely important issue even more from my point of view it would be great to set not only but not only about fighting combat corruption but about expanding or for institutional capacity of ukrainian state and public institution it’s ex from my point of view it’s a vital issue for the ukrainian future.
GIVE ME MORE MONEY FOR EXPANDING INSTITUTIONAL CAPACITY, THEN I ALSO WILL THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT FIGHTING CORRUPTION!
What a smart cookie that brand new ukrainian security chief is!
I see absolutely not at all how Russia might have been pressured into starting this war, after all of that!
Completely unprovoked, I’d say.
Gut, die deutschsprachigen Medien konnten das natürlich nicht recherchieren. Ging ja nicht.
War ja komplett unmöglich.
Da haben sie lieber die von der Brookings Institution erfundene Geschichte mit dem covidisolierten, wahnsinnigen Putin gebracht, der in Isolation zu viel geschichtliche Texte gelesen hatte, und jetzt dem Imperialismus verfallen ist.
Mit 200.000 Soldaten die 2,8 Millionenstadt Kiew nehmen sollten, und dann noch Paris.
Grüsse bitte, Grüsse bitte an alle die sich so sehr für die Wahrheit zu Kriegsbeginn eingesetzt haben.
Propaganda hat aber immer noch niemand entdeckt.
Diese Gesellschaft ist das absolut grotesk und abartigst Allerletzte.
edit: Es gibt aber natürlich auch wieder gute Nachrichten:
USA fordern Verhandlungen über unabhängigen Palästinenserstaat
src: click
Jetzt erst mal für ein paar Monate parallel verhandeln und ethnisch säubern, sag ich. Verletzungen internationalen Rechts hat ja bisher niemand gesehen. Verletzungen geltenden US Rechts auch nicht (Verhindern von Hilfslieferungen aus den US als Begünstigter von US Militärunterstützung).
