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Die Pres­se, wer sonst…

Die rus­si­sche Armee schickt bewusst jun­ge Wehr­dienst­leis­ten­de ins Kampf­ge­biet bei Kursk. Die­se sei­en „ver­pflich­tet, das Vater­land zu ver­tei­di­gen“, heißt es im Ver­tei­di­gungs­mi­nis­te­ri­um. Müt­ter der Rekru­ten schla­gen Alarm.

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Com­pa­re and con­trast to:

CNN: Die Ukrai­ner haben Grund­wehr­die­ner angegriffen:

Putin pro­mi­sed poor­ly trai­ned con­scripts wouldn’t be sent to war. Now the front line has come to them

[…]

Messages shared in Rus­si­an Tele­gram chan­nels and other social media over the past few days have reve­a­led how unpre­pa­red Moscow was for this kind of attack, inclu­ding the fact that its mili­ta­ry had left poor­ly trai­ned con­scripts in char­ge of defen­ding the bor­der with Ukrai­ne – the coun­try Rus­sia has been waging war on for more than 10 years.

“When the bor­der was atta­cked at 3 a.m. by tanks, the­re were only con­scripts defen­ding them­sel­ves,” said one such mes­sa­ge shared on Tele­gram by a woman who said she was a mother of a con­script sol­dier in Kursk, the bor­der regi­on that Ukrai­ni­an tro­ops cros­sed into last week.

“They didn’t see a sin­gle sol­dier, not a sin­gle con­tract sol­dier — they didn’t see anyo­ne at all. My son cal­led later and said, ‘Mom, we’re in shock;,” the woman, iden­ti­fied only as Olga, said.

CNN has asked Russia’s defen­se minis­try for com­ment, but has not recei­ved an answer.

The deploy­ment of con­scripts is a thor­ny issue in Russia.

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Washing­ton Post: Die Ukrai­ne hat Grund­wehr­die­ner angegriffen.

Most, though, have been sta­tio­ned along Russia’s expan­si­ve Wes­tern bor­der to patch up per­son­nel shor­ta­ges and with the expec­ta­ti­on they would never face an attack. Insi­de Ukrai­ne, Rus­sia has reli­ed on a hapha­zard for­ce made up of con­victs, mer­ce­n­a­ries, mobi­li­zed and con­tract sol­di­ers to bear the brunt of the war, with the sta­te con­ti­nuous­ly incre­a­sing their salaries.

But when Ukrai­ne laun­ched a sur­pri­se incur­si­on into Kursk last week, the­se young, untrai­ned con­scripts from cities, towns and vil­la­ges across Rus­sia found them­sel­ves on the new front line — and unpre­pa­red to defend it. The men in the Ukrai­ni­an pri­son came from as far away as the nor­thwes­tern port city of St. Peters­burg and a rural vil­la­ge in Pen­za, sou­the­ast of Moscow.

“We did not want to fight in any way,” said Niko­lai, 22, who is from the city of Chelya­binsk, some 1,200 miles east of Moscow. “We were pro­mi­sed that we would not take part in hos­ti­li­ties at all. But some­thing went wrong.”

[…]

Niko­lai and fel­low pri­so­ner Ser­gey, 19, said Ukrai­ne atta­cked their mili­ta­ry head­quar­ters on Aug. 6 and their com­man­ders left without giving inst­ruc­tions on what to do next. Fea­ring they would be kil­led if they stay­ed, the young men wal­ked for three days through forests and swamps and “slept on the cold ground,” Niko­lai said. While sear­ching for safe­ty, they came across a group of vehi­cles deco­ra­ted with tri­an­gles — a sym­bol Ukrai­ne has pain­ted or taped on all its vehi­cles cros­sing into Rus­sia in recent days. “I was try­ing to remem­ber whe­ther the tri­ang­le was our iden­ti­fi­ca­ti­on sign or not,” Niko­lai said. Soon they were surrounded.

Ukrai­ni­an sol­di­ers grab­bed them by the scruff of the neck, he said, che­cked them for wea­pons and then gave them food, water and ciga­ret­tes. “They came, chat­ted, told their sto­ries, lis­tened to ours,” he said. Then they tied their hands and cove­r­ed their eyes and sent them over the bor­der into Ukraine.

Kirill, 20, who was wea­ring a Star Wars T-shirt, said his radio was swit­ched off when the Ukrai­ni­an incur­si­on began and he mis­sed messages cal­ling for tro­ops to evacua­te. He hid at his trench posi­ti­on but was soon sur­roun­ded by Ukrai­ni­an forces.

“At first, I was sca­red, I was very much sur­pri­sed. Then they told me, ‘Sur­ren­der and you will live,’” he recal­led. He sur­ren­de­red immedia­te­ly, and they tied his hands and cove­r­ed his eyes, then put him in an armo­red vehi­cle and dro­ve away. When they stop­ped dri­ving, a Ukrai­ni­an sol­dier offe­red to let him call his mom, who works at a gro­ce­ry store in Rus­sia, he said.

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Media­zo­na: Die Ukrai­ne hat Grund­wehr­die­ner angegriffen:

Rus­si­an con­scripts are guar­ding the bor­der in the Kursk regi­on and other lesser-known sec­tors of the Russian-Ukrainian bor­der. When Ukrai­ni­an for­ces laun­ched an offen­si­ve, the­se young draf­tees sud­den­ly found them­sel­ves in the heat of battle.

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Media­zo­na:

Vla­di­mir Putin claims con­scripts aren’t figh­t­ing in the war, but they go mis­sing in Kursk regi­on in dro­ves. Media­zo­na inter­views their relatives

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Aber eben, Die Presse:

Putin schickt Rekru­ten als Nach­schub in den Krieg in Kursk! Das Minis­te­ri­um sagt, das sei ok. Der ver­heizt die! Ups, ja - und den Teil, dass die Ukrai­ner die ange­grif­fen haben, als sie glor­reich ihre Moral geboos­tet haben haben wir in den Öster­rei­chi­schen Medi­en sich­her­heits­hal­ber gleich weggelassen?

Die rus­si­sche Armee schickt bewusst jun­ge Wehr­dienst­leis­ten­de ins Kampf­ge­biet bei Kursk. Die­se sei­en „ver­pflich­tet, das Vater­land zu ver­tei­di­gen“, heißt es im Ver­tei­di­gungs­mi­nis­te­ri­um. Müt­ter der Rekru­ten schla­gen Alarm.

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Quel­le? Dei­ne Mut­ter? Ver­linkt ist kei­ne. Was nicht bedeu­tet, dass es nicht auch pas­siert ist -- aber ich fin­de weder Regi­ments­be­zeich­ng­nun­gen, noch einen Report, der besagt, dass der Nach­schub (der spät ein­ge­trof­fen ist) eben­falls aus Grund­wehr­die­nern bestand nur wage assert­ments, die US Diens­te wür­den das promoten.

Und man weiss ja, wenn DIE US DIENSTE mal wie­der die Ukrai­ne sau­ber schrei­ben, dann ist dar­an alles Sauber.

Also wenn die PR bis jetzt nicht EINEN Rekru­ten inter­viewt hat der erst als Nach­schub, nach dem ukrai­ni­schen Angriff auf Russ­land in die Regi­on geschickt wur­de, dann hakts wohl gewaltig.

SCHEISS VERFICKTE DRECKSPRESSE (öster­rei­chi­sches Qualitätszeitungsformat).

Wich­ser.

edit: Quel­le gefun­den auf die sich DiePresse.com bezieht:

Par­ents told about the forth­co­m­ing trans­fer of con­scripts to Kursk regi­on immedia­te­ly after their oath of office

The con­scripts of the 80th Moto­ri­sed Rif­le Divi­si­on, who took the oath on 3 August, are being pre­pa­red for trans­fer from the Mur­mansk Regi­on to the Kursk Regi­on, whe­re hos­ti­li­ties have been going on sin­ce 6 August. Their rela­ti­ves began to spread appeals in social net­works deman­ding not to send their child­ren to the bor­der. Several mothers of con­scripts infor­med ‘Agen­cy’ about it at once.

Details. Par­ents publish posts in their accounts deman­ding not to send their child­ren to Kursk regi­on. They report that con­scripts got to the ser­vice only on 6-7 July, on 3 August they took the oath - then they were infor­med about the dis­patch. ‘Now in the mili­ta­ry unit is pre­pa­ring con­scripts to go on a trip to the Kursk regi­on. Kursk bat­tali­ons have been crea­ted. This infor­ma­ti­on was con­fir­med to us by the com­mand at the swearing-in on 3 August. The­re are hos­ti­li­ties in Kursk regi­on and the­re is a thre­at to the lives of our sons. The com­mand does not adhe­re to Vla­di­mir Putin’s state­ment of 13 June 2023 - not to send con­script sol­di­ers to the com­bat zone,’ the mes­sa­ge reads.

▪️‘Agen­cy’ con­ta­c­ted two mothers of con­scripts who con­fir­med the rele­van­ce of this infor­ma­ti­on. One of them told ‘Agen­cy’ that she was at her son’s swearing-in on 3 August, when it beca­me known that they had been sent to Kursk regi­on. Jud­ging by her page in social net­works, her son ended up in the army right after school.

▪️Другая mum told ‘Agen­cy’ that rela­ti­ves of con­scripts have alrea­dy united in one chat room to pre­vent them from being sent to Kursk regi­on - it has several dozen mem­bers and is con­stant­ly gro­wing. ‘We are all worried that child­ren are going to be sent to Kursk,’ she said.

▪️Издание ‘Bewa­re the News’ notes that the par­ents have also crea­ted a peti­ti­on to the pre­si­dent and writ­ten a state­ment to the mili­ta­ry prosecutor’s office.

▪️‘The Agen­cy’ was con­fir­med the fact of par­ents’ appeal and in one of the orga­ni­sa­ti­ons dealing with legal assi­s­tance to Rus­si­an sol­di­ers (for secu­ri­ty rea­sons “The Agen­cy” does not name the inter­lo­cu­tor). Accord­ing to the organisation’s infor­ma­ti­on, con­scripts ‘from dif­fe­rent regi­ons’ are being pre­pa­red to be sent to the Kursk region.

Context.Conscripts have been at the bor­der in Kursk regi­on sin­ce the begin­ning of the Ukrai­ni­an offensive.‘Now in the mili­ta­ry unit is pre­pa­ring con­scripts to go on a trip to the Kursk region.

▪️Несмотря the offen­si­ve, Rus­si­an aut­ho­ri­ties did not trans­fer the con­scripts remai­ning in the regi­on to the rear, decla­ring them a com­bat unit, several mothers told ‘Agen­cy’.

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Rus­si­an inde­pen­dent media out­let Agenstvo(re-launched Proekt) reports Rus­si­an gene­rals sen­ding con­scripts from Mur­mansk regi­on, who are only 1 mon­th in the army, to the batt­le in Kursk regi­on, des­pi­te Putin’s pro­mi­ses not to send con­scripts to the war https://t.co/VcGblKW7jN pic.twitter.com/NjFsD57A0q

— Liveu­a­map (@Liveuamap) August 13, 2024

Kei­ner von denen ist bis jetzt noch dort, kei­ner von denen wur­de bis jetzt von den Ukrai­nern fest­ge­nom­men, aber über die die seit Beginn dort waren, und die die Ukrai­ne ange­grif­fen hat, über die muss man ja als diepresse.com nicht berich­ten. Die deutsch­spra­chi­ge Medi­en­land­schaft ist soet­was von das gro­tesk und abar­tigst Allerletzte…

edit: Ver­fick­te, ver­wichs­te Drecksschweine.

Das Twit­ter pos­ting ver­linkt auf ein Tele­gramm­pos­ting, das bezieht sich auf ein Pos­ting eines Eltern­teils das nur als Bild ver­linkt wird.

Hab den Inhalt mal OCRed und von deepl.com über­set­zen lassen:

PLEASE REPOST AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

CONSCRIPTS ARE SENT TO KURSK REGION^ HELP SAVE OUR GUYS!!!!

We are par­ents and wives of con­scripts ser­ving in 80 Moto­ri­sed Rif­le Divi­si­on (infan­try), mili­ta­ry unit 34 667.

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Our child­ren have been in the unit sin­ce 6-7 July 2024.

Now the mili­ta­ry unit is pre­pa­ring con­scripts for a trip to the Kursk regi­on Kursk bat­tali­ons have been crea­ted. This infor­ma­ti­on was con­fir­med to us by the com­mand at the swearing-in on 03 August 2024g To talk to the hig­her com­mand of the unit was not pos­si­ble, they refu­se to com­mu­ni­ca­te with par­ents. Pho­nes are hid­den and par­ents are not given.

In order to send ser­vice­men per­forming mili­ta­ry ser­vice under con­scrip­ti­on (inclu­ding as part of a mili­ta­ry unit) to ful­fil tasks in armed con­flicts (to par­ti­ci­pa­te in com­bat ope­ra­ti­ons), several con­di­ti­ons must be met, which are spe­ci­fied in Arti­cle 2 of the Regu­la­ti­ons on the Pro­ce­du­re of Mili­ta­ry Service:

- com­ple­ti­on of their mili­ta­ry ser­vice for at least four months

- after trai­ning in mili­ta­ry specialities.

None of the con­di­ti­ons are ful­fil­led by the com­mand of mili­ta­ry unit 34667-n Con­scripts will be sent in August-September 2024t, which is less than four months

And this mili­ta­ry unit is not a trai­ning unit, so con­scripts can­not get a mili­ta­ry spe­cia­li­ty in it.

In the Kursk regi­on the­re are hos­ti­li­ties and the­re is a thre­at to the lives of our sons The com­mand does not adhe­re to the state­ment of V. Putin from 13 06.2023 - not to send con­script sol­di­ers to the com­bat zone.

We ask not to allow sen­ding our child­ren to the Kursk regi­on The­se are not bor­der guards, the­se are infan­try They should not be on the bor­der Espe­cial­ly not having ser­ved 4 mon­ths and not having recei­ved a mili­ta­ry speciality.

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OH, dass die nach Kurk gehen, wur­de den Eltern und Rus­si­an inde­pen­dent media out­let Agenstvo(re-launched Proekt) bei der Ange­lo­bungs­ze­re­mo­nie am 03. August mitgeteilt?

ALSO DREI TAGE VOR DEM UKRAINIGSCHEN ANGRIFF?

On 6 August 2024, during the ongo­ing Russo-Ukrainian War, the Ukrai­ni­an Armed For­ces laun­ched an incur­si­on into Russia’s Kursk Oblast and clas­hed with the Rus­si­an Armed For­ces and Rus­si­an bor­der guard.[34][35][36] [AND A FUCKING SHITTON OF CONSCRIPTS!]

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Klar dreht das DiePresse.com jetzt so hin als ob Russ­land die jetzt als Ver­stär­kung an die Front schi­cken würde!

Nein, die wur­den in den Regio­nen sta­tio­niert in denen Russ­land garan­tiert nie­mals ange­grif­fen hät­te. Aber die Ukrai­ner hat ein­fach Grund­wehr­die­ner sehr ger­ne ein­kas­siert. Und ist des­we­gen mit Lie­be und Freu­de und zur Stär­kung der Ukrai­ni­schen Moral in Russ­land einmarschiert.

Das blen­den wir aus, und aus ner Mel­dung dass die noch am 03. August nach Kursk soll­ten machen wir “Putin schickt Rekrui­ten an die Front gegen die Ukraine!”.

Das ist deutsch­spra­chi­ger Jour­na­lis­mus. HURENWICHSER.

DRECKSMEDIEN.

Ein herz­li­ches FUCK YOU auch an die US Diens­te die das jetzt anders hindrehen.

Die Quel­le auf die sich diepresse.com bezieht wür­de von mir über eine Goog­le­su­che nach den Begrif­fen Mut­ter von Grund­wehr­die­ner in Mur­mansk aus­fin­dig gemacht. Ist ja nicht so als ob die ver­fick­te scheiss ver­hur­te DRECKSdiePRESSE.com ihre Quel­len ver­lin­ken würde.

Das braucht sie ja nicht - auch wenn sie wie heu­te dadurch lügt, dass wie­der NIEMAND, auch nur nen FUCKING DRECK, nach­re­cher­hiert hät­te. Brau­chen wir ja nicht. DiePresse.com hat ja in Öster­reich die Deutungshohheit!

Mode­ra­tor feeds the expert the ukrai­ni­an pro­pa­gan­da line.

King’s Col­le­ge Lon­don expert tells him: “Well, the­re are a cou­p­le of mili­ta­ry aims, its pro­bab­ly not so much the crea­ti­on of a buf­fer zone.”

Dass ich das noch erle­ben darf! Auf mei­ne alten Tage…

Ich bin ganz gerührt. *sniff*

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Die-Kursk-Offensive-ist-ein-Hochrisikospiel-der-Ukraine-article25168189.html

Es wur­de auch ein Inter­view in Video Form geführt, aber von NTV so stark gekürzt, dass es sinn­los ist das zu konsumieren.

Kie­se­wet­ter has found the logic loophole!

As soon as Nato gives wea­pons to [other coun­try], wea­pons beco­me wea­pons of [other coun­try], so this is suf­fi­ci­ent to con­form with inter­na­tio­nal law (for Germany)!

So lets use an examp­le here.

Say, the US is pro­vi­ding all the mass bom­bing infra­st­ruc­tu­re, ammu­ni­ti­on and launch capa­bi­li­ty for Isra­el to des­troy 80% for the gaza strip, this through the act of “gif­ting tho­se wea­pons to isra­el” beco­mes “ent­i­re­ly suf­fi­ci­ent to have tho­se wea­pon ship­ments con­form with inter­na­tio­nal law”.

Ah final­ly someo­ne that can exp­lain to the ger­man peop­le rea­li­ty in an easy an clear man­ner (again).

Of cour­se this was the second per­son that ger­man media in its ent­i­re­ty cho­se to inter­view on the ques­ti­on, if the ukrai­ni­an attack on rus­sia should be con­si­de­red con­forming with inter­na­tio­nal law.

Hey - you cant see anything wrong with that, becau­se if you do you will lose your job as a jour­na­list and be ost­ra­ci­zed by ger­man spea­king society.

Deplat­forming dis­sen­ting voices is such a gre­at cul­tu­ral tool of the Wertewesten…

Becau­se peop­le mani­pu­la­te epis­te­mes like the gos­pel in church, and then sim­ply through repea­ting them over and over again in your media out­lets at prime­time, they beco­me the de fac­to truth to the majo­ri­ty of people.

You just need a Kie­se­wet­ter, and then shout down every human being more intel­li­gent than he is, whe­re­ver you see them.

Die­se Gesell­schaft ist das abso­lut abgrund­tief und abar­tigst Allerletzte.

Wel­che Werte?

Hump­ta, Hump­ta tröt, Bier und Blas­mu­sik? Mia san mir, und de ondan mög ma net?

Kie­se­wet­ter mei­ne Damen und Herrn. Kom­ple­xer als das darf es wirk­lich nicht mehr werden.

Putin coun­ter on this inter­view (becau­se of what Putin, will think, thinks, will do, feels, will think we think, and didnt expect) hit right about 15 on this inter­view I think -- I’m not bra­ve enough to watch it again to count.

First Part:

DW try­ing to push the pro­pa­gan­da line into the public with the grace and pert­ness of a pres­su­re washer.

Second Part:

Secu­ri­ty Ana­lyst with his own firm try­ing to stay poli­te, while not agre­eing with any point the DW pro­pa­gan­dists have made, so others might still use his consultancy.

Defi­lee: Mode­ra­tor not catching in the least whats going on here.

Gut, dass DW ja nie die Pro­pa­gan­da ent­deckt dies selbst mit aller Kraft in die Öffent­lich­keit presst.

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Same issue complex - 

CNN Repor­ter for once in her life gets the wor­d­ing right.

Head Mode­ra­tor: “Volo­dym­yr Zelen­sky, mean­while, con­firms that the goal of Kiev’s mili­ta­ry incur­si­on into Kursk, now near­ly two weeks old, is to pre­vent Rus­si­an cross-border attacks by crea­ting a buf­fer zone. It comes as Ukrai­ne atta­cked stra­te­gic brid­ges in the Rus­si­an bor­der regi­on. [Hor­ray ground vehi­cles now have issu­es clo­sing in! Final­ly! No rus­si­an ground inva­si­on into Sumy!]

CNN’s Clai­re Sebas­ti­an, joi­ning me now live in Lon­don with more.

Clai­re, I mean, the attack on the brid­ges is clear­ly meant to dis­rupt, you know, the rus­si­an sup­ply lines. How big of an impact could this have on the eas­tern front lines, whe­re Rus­sia is advancing?”

Emma Clai­re: “That’s real­ly not clear yet. [Thats value wes­tern jour­na­lism speek for “cur­r­ent­ly, none at all”. The the one par­ti­al rail line lea­ding to Char­kiev is not­hing that Rus­sia espe­cial­ly needs. And the­re is no other stra­te­gic impact whatsoever.]

Ama­ra, I think more immedia­te­ly, the attack on tho­se brid­ges could help rein­for­ce this who­le idea of a buf­fer zone. Right? Stop Rus­sia from brin­ging in more rein­for­ce­ments and more equip­ment into the part of the Kursk regi­on that Ukrai­ne now has estab­lis­hed a foot­hold [in]. The­re, I think in terms of the Eas­tern Front is clear that Moscow con­ti­nues to devo­te a lot of ener­gy to this.

It has rede­ploy­ed some for­ces, we know, based on various reports from, pla­ces like Cri­mea, perhaps even Kali­nin­grad, up to Char­kiev. But it is not it is much less wil­ling to rede­ploy for­ces away from Donezk to, to defend Kursk.

And that is becau­se they con­ti­nue, as you say, to inch for­ward. We know that there’s fier­ce figh­t­ing in several vil­la­ges, to the east of Cha­rietsk, which is a small town, but still strategic.

And in the big­ger mili­ta­ry strong­hold of Bokrovsk, which is still was held by Ukrai­ne, they are now evacua­ting civi­li­ans with some degree of urgen­cy, for­ci­b­ly evacua­ting fami­lies with child­ren, essen­ti­al­ly say­ing that the Rus­si­ans are far too clo­se for comfort.

So a very important not only mili­ta­ry hub but sort of trans­port inter­sec­tion lea­ding to other, mili­ta­ry strongholds.

So that would be a major loss for Ukraine.

So I think the mes­sa­ge Rus­sia is sen­ding that is that even though this has hap­pen­ed, their ter­ri­to­ry has been inva­ded in Kursk. They are not giving up on their goals in Ukraine.”

CNN Head Mode­ra­tor: “And it’s remar­kab­le. Yes. Two weeks in that. We’­re tal­king still tal­king about Ukrai­ni­an held ter­ri­to­ry insi­de Rus­sia! Do we have any indi­ca­ti­on from Ukrai­ne? How much far­t­her, how much lon­ger it will go into Russia?”

Emma Clai­re: So I think what is clear at this point, some almost two weeks in, is that the pace of the first week whe­re the ele­ment of sur­pri­se was still the­re, Rus­sia was still at sort of sho­cked by the who­le thing. That has defi­ni­te­ly slo­wed. We’­re not see­ing the kind of light­ning advan­ce that we saw at the begin­ning. They are still, accord­ing to the Ukrai­ni­ans, edging for­ward in some are­as, one about 30km to the north of the town of Sud­scha, which was whe­re the initi­al ass­ault was focu­sed, a town that they now claim to ful­ly hold.

And what we’­re also see­ing, of cour­se, is this consolidation.

They’­ve ope­ned a mili­ta­ry office in such, the brid­ges speak to that as well. The, the explo­si­ons on on tho­se two brid­ges that we’­ve now, con­fir­med it’s all about sort of buil­ding up their for­ces and their con­trol in their, in the ter­ri­to­ries they cur­r­ent­ly hold, becau­se, of cour­se, they con­ti­nue to main­tain that this is defen­si­ve. And they need to stop Rus­sia from using the regi­on to fire back into Ukraine.”

Head mode­ra­tor: “Emma Clai­re Sebas­ti­an repor­ting for us the­re from Lon­don. Thank you very much.”

So Emma Clai­re will pro­bab­ly lose her job for that kind of imper­ti­nence. Doub­ting the offi­cial ukrai­ni­an pro­pa­gan­da line and hin­ting at this being not the actu­al rea­son - will lose you your job in this business.

As we all know the job of a repor­ter is to say yes to the ques­ti­ons put to her by the head mode­ra­tor in all aspects of Ukrai­ni­an offi­cial rec­ti­fi­ca­ti­ons for actions in this war.