First they are showing the videostatement of the mayor of Bucha from the 31st of March.
Second ‘image proof’ (first image actually, first image proof was a video) produced in the presentation can not be found via tineye or a google reverse image search.
According to the russian representative to the United nations, Vassily Nebenzia, he then is presenting a (short) video captured by the ukrainian national guard, of Bucha, posted on April 2nd, that depicts ukrainian forces entering Bucha, not showing any dead bodies in the streets. The video then also would contain the ukrainian military interviewing several people in the town, not one of which would be mentioning a massacre, or mass killings.
[Attention, I can’t verify the date of capture, or that Bucha is the town depicted in the video. Nor can I rule out, that footage was cherrypicked.]
Opinion: The evidence is not very conclusive. Nor is it empirical.
Nebenzia is also stating that more ‘information’ would be coming/being released in the Security council meeting on April 5th. I’ve still not screened the full length version of that.
edit: Watched the one minute video package that was part of the Zelenskyys Security council speech. And it was effective. Warning: Images are very graphic. Which is also, why I will not provide a timecode this time.
Groups of people which are depicted in Bucha:
- 20 (or so) people dead in the streets.
- Partly buried family of four. (Might have been referenced by the eye witness in the polish TV interview (unsure). Going by descriptions, this was one of the locations the ZDF reporter visited.)
- Back alley with 8 people killed (This was referenced in the polish TV interview.)
- Group of at least four victims at an unknown location in a later state of decomposition.
- Group of at least four people in what seems like a cellar with their hands seemingly ziptied behind their backs, dead.
- Three people lying in a yard, dead.
- Burned remains of a corpse (might refer to the example of a raped women who was then burned in an attempted cover up, that was referred to in two speeches)
- Two other corpses, one burned at unknown locations
- Another group of at least two, probably more burned corpses
- A mass grave with about a dozen bodybags showing
I now understand the remarks of the ZDF reporter, that you dont just stage that. That you can’t. Viscerally - I get it.
Also, compared to that, what RT is currently doing (from me watching about 5 seconds of one of their news segments on Butcha - on youtube, when I was screening Vot-Tak.tv videos to see, if I could find the first eye witness account on video (I cant - but the original writedown of the interview is linked in here as well as in the previous posting on the topic)), namely to have an ‘expert’ give out a statement that two of the corpses on the street lying next to each other would have to have been killed on different days, because of different decomposition states, is in its own separate category of nothingness. It just doesnt even compare.
For what its worth, I end with António Guterres:
“We are not saying that this specific incident is a war crime, we can’t establish that yet, that is why there needs to be detailed forensic examination…Justice and accountability take time; what is important is that this work is undertaken and continues to ensure accountability going forward.”
src: click
edit: I reached the part of the video, where Nebenzia gives his counterpoints. They were:
- The corpses werent there right after the withdrawal of the russian military, which would be confirmed by “several videos” [This should refer to the two videos shown a day earlier in the video up top - statement is doubtful at the least]
- The corpses on the streets couldnt have been there for three or four days, judging from their decomposition state, much less since the 20th of march, like the NYT reported [in some cases].
edit2: Nationale Untersuchungskommissionen wurden von Frankreich, Tschechien, Deutschland, Estland, Litauen, der Slowakei, Schweden und Spanien aufgestellt. src: click
