Einstieg:
“Tonight, the president of Ukraine tells 60 Minutes about his desperate fight with russia, preventing World War III, and why his people who have lost so much, will never - deal with Putin.”Selenskyj: “Its a difficult job, you understand me right? Giving awards to people whose faces show their whole world has collapsed?”
Moderator: “Tonight Scott Pelley reports from Ukraine, where he sat down with president Vlodimir Selenskyj in the capitol Kiev.”
Scott Pelley: We met President Selenskyj as he prepared to depart Kiev for the United States, this week he will speak at the UN and meet President Biden. It is a critical time. US officials tell us, that over nearly 600 days, almost half a million troops have been killed or wounded. Both sides, alltogether. Part of the cost, so far - of Vladimir Putins unprovoked invasion. We spoke to Selenskyj. On Thursday he told us, that his people are dying every day, to prevent World War Three.
Scott Pelley being concerned about World War III:
“We are defending the values of the whole world, Selenskyj said, and these are ukrainian people who are paying the highest price. We are truly fighting for our freedom. We are dying. We are not fiction, we are not a book. We are fighting for real.
With a nuclear state that threatens to destroy the world.”
Scott Pelley: “The United States has contributed about 70 Billion Dollars to your war effort [see: CFR: click] and I wonder if you expect that level of support to continue.”
Selenskyj: “The United States of America is supporting the Ukraine financially and I’m greatful for this. I just think they are not supporting only Ukraine alone. If Ukraine falls, Putin will surely go further. What will the United States of America do, when Putin reaches the baltic states. when he reaches the polish border? He will. This is a lot of money, we have a lot of gratitude, what else must Ukraine do for everyone to measure our huge gratitude? We are dying in this war. Look, if Ukraine falls, what will happen in ten years, just think about it if the russians reach Poland -”
whats next? A third world war?”
Scott Pelley: “What will it take? Another 70 billion?”
Selenskyj: “I don’t have an answer. The whole world has to decide whether we want to stop Putin, or whether we want to start the beginning of a world war. We cant change Putin. Russian society has lost the respect of the world! They elected him, then reelected him and raised a second Hitler. -
THEY did this.
We can not go back in time! But we can stop it here.”
[Glossy propaganda Bilder aus der Ukraine werden gezeigt, ich lass die mal weg.]
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: Ukraine stopped the russian advance, but at a terrible cost. Ruined cities. Millions of refugees. Untold thousands of dead. All for Vladimir Putins nation building vanity. Today the war is fought on a 700 mile front. The red area is the 20% of Ukraine, still occupied by russia. This is where western donated tanks were supposed to punch through, cutting the russians in half.
But trenches and minefields and artillery stopped the armored advance. Now its a artillery duel, with each side firing about 40.000 shells a day. Ukrainian infantry is advancing, bloody, yards at a time. It’s world war one. With drones.
Scott Pelley: “How would you describe the fighting at the front?”
Selenskyj: “It a difficult question, I’ll be completely honest with you. We have the initiative, this is a plus. We stopped the russian offensive, and we moved into a counter offensive, but despite that, its not very fast. It is important that we are moving forward every day and are liberating territory.”
Scott Pelley: “You have about six weeks of good weather left, and I wonder, after that will the front be frozen in place?”
Selenskyj: “We need to liberate our territory as much as possible, and move forward. Even if it is less than a mile or 100 yards. We must do it. We cant loose time. In places where we cant get through in an armored vehicle, lets fly. If we cant fly, lets send drones. We mustn’t give Putin a break.”
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: “If the front is stationary, ukrainian drones have vaultet into russia itself, hitting the Kremlin, war planes and Moskow highrisers. Officially Ukraine does not acknowledge these attacks.”
Scott Pelley: “The drone strikes in russia are being done on your orders?”
Selenskyj: “Njiet.”
Scott Pelley: “Not on your orders?”
Selenskyj: “Well, you know - ”
Scott Pelley: “How is this happening?”
Selenskyj: “You know we are not shooting at the territory of the russian federation.”
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: “We decided to try the question another way.”
Scott Pelley: “What message is being sent with these drone strikes in russia?”
Selensky: “You do know, that we use our partners weapons on the territory of Ukraine only, and this is true. But these are not punitive operations, such as they carry out, killing civilians! But russia needs to know, that wherever it is, which ever place they use to strike ukraine, ukraine has every moral right to send a response to those places. We are responding to them, saying - your sky is not as well protected as you think.”
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: “Last winter it was ukrainian skys that were filled with missiles. In a russian bombardment to destroy powerplants. Millions shivered in the dark. With winter approaching again, Selenskyj had this warning.”
Selensky: “They must know, if you cut off our power, deprive us of electricity, deprive us of water, deprive us of gasoline, you need to know, we have the right to do it to you.”
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: “Russia takes Selenskyj seriously now, because Putins mass invasion was a fiasko. The red marks where ukraine stopped russias advance last year.”
[Die Karte ist wieder aus Karten mehrerer Tage “zusammengemalt” wie auch schon bei Karten des ISW üblich, die die BBC in der Vergangenheit veröffentlicht hat. Dh. es gab keinen einzelnen Tag zu dem Russland diese Ausdehnung erreicht hat. Nur mehrere. Vgl.: click (newsweek.com - timelaps von ISW Material, max. Ausdehnung am 28.03.2022.]
It also marks the stain of russias war crimes.”
Scott Pelley: “Mr. President, in traveling over Ukraine in the past year and a half, we spoke to people in bombed out schools in Chernihiv. We’ve seen destroyed apartment blocks in Borodjanka and a bombed hospital in Isjum. Civilians in a mass grave in Butscha. These are not military targets. What is Vladimir Putin trying to do?”
Selensky: “And by choosing civilian targets, Putin wanted to achieve exactly this. To break us. This person who has made his way with such bloody actions, with everything he has said - can not be trusted.
There is no trust in such a person. Because he has not been a human being for a long time.”
Scott Pelley thinking about Putin not having been a human being for a long time.
Scott Pelley: “The russians have suffered grievous losses. Without resorting to nuclear weapons, and I wonder if you believe that the threat of nuclear war is now behind us.”
Selensky: “I think he is going to continue threatening. He is waiting for the United States to become less stable, he thinks, thats going to happen during the US elections. He’ll be looking for instability in Europe and the United States of America. He will use the risk of using nuclear weapons to fuel that instability. He will be going on threatening.”
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: “That US election he mentioned, worries him, his negotiations with president Biden have been contentious at times, but Selenskyj tends to get what he asks for - even if in Selenskyjs opinion - it is generally six moths too late. This week Selenskyj will press Mr. Biden for missiles with longer range. Congress is debating another 24 billion package.”
Selensky: “And if ukraine had enough of these modern systems, we would have already restored the territorial integrity of ukraine. We would have already done that. These systems exist..!”
Scott Pelley [Einspieler]: “Are you safe here?”
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: “We first met Selenskyj not long after the invasion, when his office was a blacked out bunker.
Selensky [Einspieler]: “Be careful!”
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: “Now a year and a half later, we noticed a difference. As we were setting up the interview, the former actor used his talent to mask the strain. He smiled at a compliment, to his wife.”
Selensky: “Yeah… So great.”
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: “And then instantly he seemed pulled beneath a depth -
no one can know. We dont know what he was thinking. It looked like
- EMPATHY -
For the lost.
And for those - who might be saved.
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: “Our time with Selenskyj began in silence.”
“A rememberence of the fallen, during a ceremony to award medals of valor. Ukrainian officials tell us, Ukraine and russia have lost their professional armies. Now their forces are made up of volonteers, draftees and in russias case - prison inmates. Selenskyj counts his dead in casualty reports each morning.”
Scott Pelley [Einspieler]: “You are the president. It must be humbling to meet these men, I wonder what they mean to you?”
[Darn Micro Expressions. Nie kann man sie maskieren, wenn man sie nicht zeigen will.]
…
Selenskyj: “What they, ehm - to me…
First of all it is a great honor for me. I look into their eyes and -
it makes me proud, that we have such strong people.
edit: Kontext
Because - this is a big risk, a big risk. You can definitely loose your life for the sake of saving other lives. And when I say other lives I dont speak in general, I mean my own life. The lives of my children, and I understand completely what risks are involved.”
Scott Pelley [Voice over]: “That empathy for life has Volodimir Selenskyj reaching out - again. To the United Nations and the United States, hoping to convince the allies, that the world can be safe, only, when Ukraine is whole.
[CUT]
[Back in the interview setup]
Scott Pelley: “Can you give up - any part of Ukraine, for peace?”
Selensky: “No, this is our territory.”
Scott Pelley: “You must have it all? Including crimea?”
Selensky: “Today - you and I, you said it to me, YOU SAW ME AWARDING PEOPLE MEDALS! Today is a day like that. A week ago I gave awards to parents of soldiers who have been killed. There were 24 families of the dead. There was a woman, she was with three children.
there were parents, very old. They could barely walk -
and they had only one son.
One of the women was pregnant!
She arrived holding a baby in her arms, and she was pregnant!
And that baby will never see… what should I tell them? That all of them died so we could say - its OK russia, you can take it all?!
Its a difficult job! You understand me, right?! Giving awards to people whose faces show their whole world has collapsed?!
And all I can give them, all I can -
give them - is…
Victory
[Well, besides the awards of course.]
PROPAGANDA (and a low key death obsession) HAT ABER IMMER NOCH NIEMAND ENTDECKT.
Ich würde sagen, nach dieser Golden Globes Award würdigen Inszenierung eines bitterkalten Winters vor dem Sturm, ich meine Frühlings - kann die US nicht anders als der Ukraine Raketen zuzusagen, und nach den 24 Milliarden auch keine Pause im Funding im Wahlkampfjahr einzulegen.
Wie sagte Nuland auf der YES Conference vor etwas mehr als einer Woche so schön? Wir sind hier öffentlich, ich muss dem Publikum hier folgendes sagen - die Ukraine soll nicht auf zu viel Unterstützung hoffen.
Diese Gesellschaft ist das absolut grotesk, abartigst Allerletzte.
Auf den mehrjährigen Krieg.
