Sowas…

30. April 2026

Also ich hätt mir das nie denkt. Wer hätt sich das denkt?

Die UvdL ja kei­nes­falls. Nie­mand hätt sich das denkt.

In July last year, Ukrain­s­ka Prav­da first repor­ted that the apart­ment of Pre­si­dent Volo­dym­yr Zelensky’s friend and co-owner of the Kvartal-95 stu­dio, Timur Min­dich, was wire­tap­ped by the NABU and the SAPO.

At the time, many were skep­ti­cal about this infor­ma­ti­on. Howe­ver, in Novem­ber, when anti-corruption acti­vists released the first frag­ments of the “Min­dich tapes” as part of Ope­ra­ti­on Midas, it beca­me clear not only that the wire­tap­ping of the apart­ment at 9 Hrus­hevs­ky Street exis­ted, but also that a num­ber of top offi­cials were caught on tape.

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Kei­ne Angst, von da an gehts nur ne Stun­de… für Part 1

Und kei­ne Angst, die Ukrain­s­ka Praw­da ist da voll­kom­men on top of it!

We will not make any big announ­ce­ments, under­stan­ding how long Ukrai­ni­an socie­ty has been wai­t­ing for the details of this extra­or­di­na­ry sto­ry. As well as ans­wers to important ques­ti­ons: how did this beco­me pos­si­ble and what con­clu­si­ons did the aut­ho­ri­ties draw to make it impos­si­ble for ” bar­ri­ers “, abu­se of power and cor­rup­ti­on to exist. Cor­rup­ti­on at the hig­hest level.

As we were able to estab­lish, the rele­vant mate­ri­als, inclu­ding lar­ge frag­ments of record­ings of docu­men­ted con­ver­sa­ti­ons, have long been atta­ched to the pro­ce­du­ral docu­ments pro­vi­ded to the defense.

Wait, what?

Ah, sub­scri­be to the Ukrai­ni­an Truth you­tube chan­nel of Ukrain­s­ka Prav­da to keep being enter­tai­ned by us for weeks, and, …

PROFESSIONALISMUS!

edit: Die Kiev Post macht die Arbeit der anderen.

The new­ly publis­hed “Min­dich tapes” – inter­cep­ted con­ver­sa­ti­ons from July 2025 – alle­ged­ly cap­tu­re Min­dich spea­king with for­mer pre­si­den­ti­al advi­ser Ser­hiy She­fir, then-Defense Minis­ter Rus­tem Umer­ov, and a con­struc­tion mana­ger lin­ked to an eli­te housing pro­ject near Kyiv.

In one record­ing, Min­dich and She­fir dis­cuss for­mer minis­ter Olek­siy Cher­nys­hov, who was under inves­ti­ga­ti­on for illi­cit enrich­ment at the time. The two appe­ar to refe­rence hel­ping cover his Hr.120 mil­li­on ($3 mil­li­on) bail and men­ti­on a shared “cash pool.”

Half of that bail was paid by a pri­va­te com­pa­ny who­se direc­tor later denied any know­ledge of the transaction.

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Other parts of the tapes focus on luxu­ry real esta­te. Min­dich is heard dis­cus­sing con­struc­tion work at a gated deve­lo­p­ment known as “Dynas­tia,” whe­re homes were repor­ted­ly being built for seni­or offi­cials and poli­ti­cal insiders.

The most sen­si­ti­ve exchan­ge invol­ves Umer­ov, now secreta­ry of Ukraine’s Natio­nal Secu­ri­ty and Defen­se Council.

In the record­ing, he and Min­dich dis­cuss defen­se indus­try fun­ding, inter­na­tio­nal con­ta­cts, and a poten­ti­al res­huf­fle in Ukraine’s lea­ders­hip – inclu­ding repla­cing Prime Minis­ter Denys Shmyhal as defen­se minister.

Min­dich also appears to talk about invest­ments in long-range com­bat dro­nes pro­du­ced by the com­pa­ny Fire Point, while com­p­lai­ning about lack of sta­te funding.

In one of the con­ver­sa­ti­ons, he said that all the money had been inves­ted in “1, 5, and 7.”

‘First, fifth, seventh’ refer to FP-1, FP-5, and FP-7 — models of long-range strike dro­nes pro­du­ced by Fire Point. Accord­ing to mul­ti­ple inves­ti­ga­ti­ons, Timur Min­dich may be one of the company’s bene­fi­cia­ries,” inves­ti­ga­tor Mykhailo Tkach said.

In ano­t­her moment, he pres­su­res Umer­ov to resol­ve issu­es with body armor sup­plies that the mili­ta­ry had refu­sed to accept.

Ukrai­ni­an inves­ti­ga­tors have pre­vious­ly said a com­pa­ny lin­ked to Min­dich tried to sell low-quality, foreign-made armor dis­gui­sed as Wes­tern pro­ducts – claims the defen­se minis­try ulti­mate­ly rejected.

Umer­ov has denied any impro­per influ­ence, say­ing his mee­tings with sup­pliers were rou­ti­ne and that pro­ble­ma­tic con­tracts were can­ce­led. He is cur­r­ent­ly a wit­ness in the case.

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Passt - ich OCR noch das Umer­ov Gespräch und mach dann Feierabend.

edit: Min­dich mit Umerov:

And who’s sim­ply here? Well, the *** who do things, and not just car­ry out the com­mand: yes/ got it/ will be done.

And to appoint Shmyhal – I think that’s ***.

Well, I told him this: if you trust him,

Shmyhal?

that will just wea­ken you.

Well yes, becau­se that’s David, that’s… it will happen.

Well, sim­ply, well, in half a year to a year you’ll alrea­dy be…

He’ll alrea­dy be, well, half a year to a year, yes, like a secon­da­ry part of the sen­tence. He’ll be able to play alrea­dy. He’ll be strong.

Do you under­stand what the pro­blem is?

We need… ever­ything today

has been pro­du­ced, so to speak,

you’­re not paying, temporarily.

We’­re rea­dy to give all the goods away, no ques­ti­on, he tal­ked about that too – hand it all over, I say we’ll hand ever­ything over,

but tomor­row our plant will stop, tomor­row we’ll be para­ly­zed, mea­ning the­re won’t be con­tracts for the twenty,

we’­ve, we’­ve, I don’t know about ever­yo­ne, we inves­ted all our pro­fit into the first, into the five and into the seven.

Into the seven, yes.

Well, we don’t have that kind of money, you under­stand, our pro­fit is 20%.

He buys the seven, buys the five, and that’s it – one per­son buys.

Uh-huh.

Yes, but we need – we’­re not asking – we need cur­rent finan­cing to pro­du­ce ever­ything, that’s minus 120. As of today, they owe us seven.

And nobo­dy is doing anything, so that’s minus 120. Can we pro­du­ce? We can. Can we pro­du­ce the U-b? We can. But we… but, you under­stand, we’­re stret­ched so thin, well ***.

They, today and tomor­row, will still be signing con­tracts to ask us to sign

with you, and pay­ment goes through.

Right now we’­re asking part­ners: 1 bil­li­on will come somehow, I can see. Not quick­ly. Even if I twist all my pos­si­bi­li­ties the­re – 1-2,

Okay.

I need 5, but I can mana­ge 5.

Just a litt­le, you know, somehow, the­re are 2,000 peop­le working the­re, today we need to buy the­se engi­nes, we’­re not asking for our profit,

we can’t pull out the working capi­tal, we don’t have that, you under­stand – this is the com­pa­ny, we’­re giving everything.

So, mis­si­les and so on for 5-6 bil­li­on – that’s a lot, bro­ther. I under­stand ever­ything, but that’s a lot.

It’s like you all come to the Stav­ka and start say­ing: we need, we need, we need, and they get mad at me.

Well, the task is to somehow build a rela­ti­ons­hip with him…

I’m going to the UAE. Masha blew my mind. No, I’m going with them to Rome, to meet with the Americans.

And you’­re com­ing back on Friday?

For one day. The Pre­si­dent of the UAE has been

for three weeks alrea­dy… a minis­ter, kind of… with… I put

this Masha the­re as the contact.

I said: look, I’m not get­ting into com­mer­ce, he pro­bab­ly wants to get some 100% appro­val, confirmation,

that he’s in the know.

He’s never in his life… he says: well, I see it’s no lon­ger the time to refu­se, for three weeks alrea­dy you can’t

refu­se when they’­re asking.

That’s the East. Yes. I say: Vla­di­mir Alex­and­ro­vich, I say, I have no sub­ject the­re, the­re are three companies,

they met, I say, we need to ask the final outcome,

may­be they want the Aus­tri­an, but 100% he wants to hear from me whe­ther I’m awa­re and how to pro­ceed. I say, it’s just awk­ward for me, he’s such a high-caliber guy,

and he’s the main one, and if he’s been asking for three weeks – it’s just not com­me il faut anymore.

He says: okay. I say: quick­ly, one day the­re and back, I’ll hear him out and fly back.

About not­hing, brother.

I wan­ted to ask you: are they doing anything in this track or is it all about nothing?

We’­re rea­dy, we want to, all that, but it does­n’t look like they are. It loo­ks like they want to under­stand what we have, infor­ma­ti­on, that kind of spy game.

They’­re dang­ling a car­rot like this. Well, you can’t not fly the­re, what dif­fe­rence does it make.

How can he at least exp­lain himself?

Well, what, we’­re rea­dy, if… we’ll sell, we’ll give ever­ything, they need from you that you give permission.

So we’­re a real com­pa­ny, what we said – we did ever­ything. They value the com­pa­ny like this. They want 33%.

They alrea­dy said that?

Yes, yes, the­re is an offer. Out of the 33% they want to invest 60% into the com­pa­ny and 40%, well, we can agree on a 50% cash-out.

How’s that? Exp­lain again. So they valued it…

Yes. They want to buy at least, yes, at least 33%.

The parent com­pa­ny. Well, that’s 600.

Yes, that’s 600. Out of that, 300 they want to go into the com­pa­ny, and 300 – cash-out, well, to the company’s shareholders.

What would suit us?

Well, if they… On Sunday, what we tal­ked about – it’s not ***, I think that in a year we’ll be worth twice as much money.

We don’t have bal­listics, we don’t have long-range, we don’t have a con­tract for 120 thousand today, right?

We don’t have any of that, but this parachu­te is bet­ter for us, that there’s someo­ne for­eign, we reinsu­re our­sel­ves and so on, etc.

Yes. Okay, let’s now move to ours. You’ll lea­ve now, you’ll have *** all over the place. On the vests, we’ll have minus 7 mil­li­on. For me.

Well, I’m not alone.

So here, Fire Point, com­pe­ti­tors can just lay it down like this,

stop paying now and that’s it, you’ll take the goods now, yes, yes, yes, give a new pre­pay­ment and I’ll be in trouble.

You’ll lea­ve now, they’ll sweep ever­yo­ne away, we won’t have a sin­gle per­son left the­re, no one to com­mu­ni­ca­te with.

Today it’s standing.

I beg you, call all the­se peop­le together.

May­be open export-import? But what will it give, I don’t know.

Open export?

Yes.

That’s nor­mal. Defen­se City is giving it, after all.

From August 1st…, from the 1st, the 24th of August

you’ll have export.

Then at least all the­se pro­duc­tion faci­li­ties will work for me, you under­stand. Bes­i­des the fact that they’ll *** us soo­ner or later.

Can we open MFP there?

You can. We need to sell it. Import is better.

Look, we are a pro­blem for them, for the Americans,

becau­se if you get money today, our coun­try, and the coun­try con­tracts what it wants to con­tract from FP

to the Ame­ri­cans, i.e. we can crank out bal­listics, more than they can, not less than they can.

Our bal­listics pri­ce is 8 times che­a­per than theirs, i.e. ours will cost, I don’t know, 1.5, their bal­listic mis­si­le cos­ts 7, the very first one 5.

How many bal­listic mis­si­les per year? For next year, is it possible?

We can make a thousand, five thousand mis­si­les, look, that’s not… we’­ve got mixers up the ***.

If you give us money today, an order, along with the abi­li­ty for banks to lend to us, con­tract and pre­pay­ment – we have to open up,

we have to open up today in other places,

we can’t keep hiding in Kyiv,

but it takes time, we can’t, she has to be pregnant for 9 mon­ths, no mat­ter how you spin it.

We can make 7,000 bal­listic mis­si­les, I think.

Per year.

2.5 of tho­se will go this year, long-range, out of the­se 7.

Look, the long-range will go, we’­re finan­cing the long-range our­sel­ves, if you drain us dry now, what’s hap­pe­ning now,

i.e. someo­ne, not you, I’m not tal­king about you, some com­pe­ti­tor of ours at a low level, for examp­le, with the vests. Know what hap­pen­ed with the vests?

We won the ten­der, lowe­red the pri­ce, and all vests work on pre­pay­ment, we brought them with our own money, we’­ve alrea­dy brought them,

they’­ve been lying in the wareh­ouse for three months,

and they won’t accept them.

Same thing here, whe­re will we run now, you under­stand we have a big machi­ne, i.e. we need to invest 150 mil­li­on into bal­listics, no problem.

If you’­ve signed con­tracts, if you gave us for FP-1 we’ll invest all that money, we haven’t pul­led out a sin­gle ruble for our­sel­ves, i.e. we’­re inves­ting ever­ything into the country.

We need money. Or con­tracts. Con­tracts, banks, an investor.

An inves­tor… look, with money it’ll be exact­ly on the 17th, if no one helps.

Except for the 17th.

The 17th of what? July?

So that’s wai­t­ing 10 days, that’s…

July.

The 17th, and I’m only coun­ting on that now.

Well, we’ll hold out, 10 days, how much money will you give us?

311 bil­li­on is everything.

For us?

Well, that’s for you, I’ll tell you now how much.

Okay, we’ll run fur­ther then.

That’s how it should be.

Yes. If you pay, we…

I’ve just alrea­dy unders­tood that no one will help with anything, so I’ll go again…

Call the bank, take…

Alrea­dy called.

Did you call Pyshnyi?

He’s just not in the country.

Ah. Call Sen­se. It can be done through the Cabi­net. The­re are three opti­ons he asked for. It can be done through the Cabinet.

Say, if you’­re doing all of this now. Plea­se, don’t lea­ve, the bul­let­pro­of vests are big money.

Well, the bul­let­pro­of vests, we just were tied up in finan­ces, honest­ly I did­n’t get to it.

Just let them sign the accep­t­ance. That’s all. It’s just one pho­ne call for you.

Just say, “I don’t want to hear about bul­let­pro­of vests from Timur any­mo­re, and I meet with him twice a week.”

Inte­res­ting.

It’s just one com­mand from you and that’s it.

Tell me, can you appoint Myko­la some­whe­re, the one I brought to you, Chu­mak. He’s a com­pe­tent guy, he’ll help me with ever­ything there.

Today he’s stan­ding with us in this…

And whe­re can you place him?

Well, I need to talk to him.

He’s all right. A bit simple.

Very brai­ny, ten­acious, ever­ything will be… Know how much sala­ry he asked for? Well, what do you think?

Two thousand?… Well, becau­se it’s clear

he’s a mili­ta­ry man (laughs).

For three, he says, I’ll tear for the Mother­land, I’ll go to the tren­ches for the Mother­land. Well, you know how much Igor, how much all the­se ours get – 50, well, what’s that. 50. Masha gets 20. Ira 50.

Are you alrea­dy giving to Masha?

Well, now I want to come to an agree­ment with her, yes. Well, so what, she pushed through Defen­se City and that’s it. And she’ll go to the Emirates.

I’ve been so har­sh with her, legal­ly, I say you never *** finish, always in pro­cess, why, I say, ***, it’s just hard for me to tell you, I *** *** their ide­as, you *** start beau­ti­ful things…

Rus­tem, 90% of it is that I had Khme­ly­ov remo­ved… Look, the com­pa­ny has 2,000 peop­le, 60 mana­gers, all the­se *** nego­tia­ti­ons with ever­yo­ne, wiping up after ever­yo­ne, no one *** finis­hes anything.

The­re are three peop­le who can. Masha is like that too, when nee­ded. Tell me, should I take her or not? For me, she’s not…

who knows, look, it’s just

becau­se she’s your person.

No, no, look, I asked her, like, Masha, what do you want at the end of your life?

Just exp­lain what you want.

She could­n’t say anything.

Let’s deci­de about Masha. For me, Masha…

What’s her… What do we have for her at all?

I don’t know.

She just lives the­re, are we paying her a salary?

I’m not paying her anything at all yet.

You’­re paying her.

What else should we discuss?

Well, we were sup­po­sed to dis­cuss that it would have been bet­ter if you’d stay­ed. Here, for a year.

Finish ever­ything you’­re doing here and *** stay here, in a resour­ce, like this. In the team. If not – go to America.

You could open at least this the­re, make a Space Cen­ter there.

Thats Masha btw. Keep me infor­med whe­re she ended up, boys. 🙂

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edit: First 20 minu­tes cap­tu­red and trans­la­ted (Fine­rea­der and Deep­seek V4), thats most of - Min­dich with Ser­hiy She­fir here:

I tal­ked to him

I tal­ked to him yesterday

I was at Lyosha’s yesterday

when?

yes­ter­day? I tal­ked to Oleg today, as I under­stand it, everything’s fine. Like, Lyo­sha has some agrari­ans who will offi­cial­ly clo­se it

there’s a litt­le bit there

Oleg says… I have everything…

(whis­pe­ring, indistinct)

agreed

so… well, what about officially…

who will contribute?

well, the agrari­ans, right…

no, the­re isn’t that much the­re… the­re are agrari­ans, as I under­stand it now, Sve­ta put in 40 and 10

no, if everything’s okay with him, then… the who­le sto­ry its­elf is abnormal.

Well, as I under­stand it, they’­re alrea­dy down­si­zing the minis­try, I just read it.

no, the court is this week… it’s such a thing, I think they’ll sus­pend him today

no

no, come on, what are you say­ing? Tho­se are rumors… he has to be… some kind of court

may­be we should call Lyosha?

no, what are you tal­king about, I spo­ke with him

yes

I was at his place yes­ter­day around nine-thirty in the evening, I got the­re in the evening

I tal­ked to him ear­lier yesterday

I told him, if you have the offi­cial part, then unof­fi­cial­ly we’ll all pitch in, we’ll chip in

nah, well, from the cash register

I told him I’d also give from mys­elf… I don’t have tho­se kinds of people

well, I said, let’s agree, I say 30 (indis­tinct) if you say so, then I’ll go… we have to talk, right

yes… but he told me, what are you say­ing, he told me last night, at 10 in the evening, unof­fi­cial­ly the­re is,

only they need to give it to them

he also said that this… I say, well, okay, if there’s no glo­bal solu­ti­on, then I’m rea­dy to chip in from mys­elf too, I say, if you want it to work out that way, then you need to talk to everyone…

you won’t do it offi­cial­ly, will you?

I can do it offi­cial­ly… some­whe­re around 10 mil­li­on I can do, but it will just be lin­ked… well, it will be *** much more expensive…

no, no, don’t do it officially…

I think they’­re deciding…

yes

well, I’ll also… this evening

becau­se I… Butkevich

But­ke­vich is com­ing back, and tomor­row I’ll talk to him, I need to understand.

I don’t think But­ke­vich will want to par­ti­ci­pa­te offi­cial­ly… The who­le sto­ry is real­ly ***, of course…

well, as he says, it’s like there’s no case

no, well, it’s clear it’s going to fall apart… but how did they let it get to this?

he says that, yes, that Lyosh, look, there’s not­hing like that here… there’s no Yanu­ko­vych, no Kuch­ma, none of tho­se times

(whis­pe­ring) strange…

what’s hap­pe­ning today, isn’t it strange?

ever­ything is strange

yes

this is some kind of ***… they’­re dri­ving around, dril­ling, ***, it’s some kind of *** surreal

whe­re are they dril­ling? Here?

well, of course

yes

you know about this?

yes. They’­ve ana­ly­zed the ent­i­re par­king lot again… every day… I don’t know, but they’­re ter­ro­ri­zing ever­yo­ne… and what about what they’­re writing?

Well, this is alrea­dy some kind of *** ***

a friend told me, offi­cial­ly no, but if anything, I’ll help unofficially

(whis­pe­ring) Chernyshev?

(whis­pe­ring) good for him

I said, if it’s unof­fi­cial, I think we can mana­ge on our own,

but – thank you

(whis­pe­ring) just respect

I haven’t tal­ked to But­ke­vich yet, he’s com­ing back today at 7, well, it’s not con­ve­ni­ent in the office. I just cal­med down a bit becau­se Oleg tells me…

Oleg says it’s there

that ever­ything is the­re and it seems Lyo­sha also offi­cial­ly sett­led with someo­ne, he’s just che­cking that the­re are no swind­lers, you know… well, good.

I could stop by Lyosha’s in the evening and talk again, if you want, let’s go

nah, why flash our­sel­ves the­re? I’ll call, I’ll call him

I’m not afraid, honest­ly. I have rela­ti­ons­hips… tomor­row Aris­tov is cele­bra­ting his bir­th­day at “Fabi­us”, that’s… That’s more dangerous

that’s true… what is “Fabi­us”?

across from the Dyna­mo base… they do it in restau­rants?… well, I’ll stop by, congra­tu­la­te him, and leave

well, like that, you’ll end up in a cell

true

well, yes

whe­ther you sit or not

what’s the difference

no, well, to sit and celebrate…

yeah

ah, will all the depu­ties be there?

all the shot-down and the not-shot-down will be the­re… how do I know who will be the­re, depu­ties will be the­re too

ah, will all the depu­ties be there?

yes

, I don’t understand

was in Dnipro… (whis­pe­ring) they’­re tel­ling me not to be here, a lot

here” whe­re?

well, in gene­ral (indis­tinct), that they’­re actively after me…

no… may­be

yes

and what about you,

yes

did you talk to Vova?

yes

may­be

I tal­ked to Vova befo­re Shab­bat, befo­re all this with Cher­nys­hov… uh-huh…

was he sup­po­sed to come back?

he says…, it’s all some kind of, everything’s ***, well

so Sve­ta is here

she was lea­ving, was­n’t she?

yeah

well

no, she did­n’t go anywhere

no, she was lea­ving, they wro­te about it

but *** hap­pen­ed when he came back, thank God he came back

I did­n’t even ima­gi­ne he might not come back

well, lis­ten, that’s a deed too.

No, well of cour­se he has to come back, what other opti­on is there?

but the case is fab­ri­ca­ted ***, real­ly, what’s it about? That he sold an apart­ment to some employee at cost pri­ce, well, with a dis­count at the time… this employee lives the­re, reno­va­ted it, he lives in it

yes, but it’s like… and some book and some billion-dollar los­ses or some­thing, that he…

not 14, but 6 apartments…

well… but it’s all made up…

but it works, what dif­fe­rence does it make – it works…

they might sus­pend him too…

well, if now… no, they won’t sus­pend him.

if they topp­le the Cabi­net now, then they topp­le the Cabi­net and that’s it… will they topp­le the Cabi­net or not?

I’ll meet But­ke­vich tomor­row, but befo­re that I need to talk to Lyo­sha, what about him?

Thank God But­ke­vich was on a busi­ness trip and did­n’t say anything to them.

Other­wi­se Lyo­sha cal­led me and says: “they men­tio­ned But­ke­vich”, and yes­ter­day he says, well, that name was heard. I say, well Lyo­sha, I don’t have a man­da­te yet, I can’t…

here you’ll say yes… I’ll give ever­ything I can from mys­elf for sure… or we need to coordinate

Lyo­sha is not a poor man himself,

they sei­zed ever­ything from him anyway

yes

to put it mildly

no, still, they sei­zed what was decla­red, but the other stuff… I think, Lyo­sha, given the sca­le of how he lives, the fleet of cars, the fleet of ser­vants, a house like that…

it’s ren­ted, though…

well, ren­ted, but you understand

around 10 thousand

yes

how much does it cost, the rent, I asked him: “are you going to chip in yourself?” he says: “well, of cour­se, I alrea­dy gave 2 peop­le 20 mil­li­on each”

1

but the­se are your peop­le, you were there

I did­n’t want to…

yes

did some­thing, I think I did something…

he’s basi­cal­ly not­hing… karma

exact­ly

I don’t want to either

you know, in this situa­ti­on to talk now – it’s not clas­sy, ***, did you need tho­se 6 apart­ments… come on…

I don’t real­ly belie­ve it

(whis­pe­ring) 100 per­cent, the fact that he gob­bled up, 6 or 26, or…

first, it’s not honest if you’­re on a team, then you…

with me, Kisel and Sova, if some­thing hap­pens some­whe­re – here, I immedia­te­ly said 50% comes here…

yes… not my style

no, it’s not honest

did they agree on something?

was he worried??

and at some point when he… on this, on Tatarov,

Yes

such… kar­ma

yes, not­hing, the Lord is no sucker

so he says, let me pay from the­se accounts

they won’t let him… Smir­nov cal­led me,

well, I cal­led him to con­sult, what… so they did­n’t give him arrest, but just bail right away.

And he: ever­ything is cor­rect, that’s how it is, and if he does­n’t post bail, the­re will be a court hea­ring and they’ll choo­se a mea­su­re of restraint – arrest.

depu­ty prime minis­ter ***, repre­sen­ting the coun­try ***, abroad, mee­ting with pre­si­dents, with ***, with all sorts of top lea­ders­hip of the country…

how do you *** ***, even if there’s a case ***, *** it’s a mil­li­on hryv­ni­as or 12 mil­li­on, 6 apart­ments… well, why do this… here, make a case, inves­ti­ga­te it…

until the end of the war, well, objec­tively, what are they doing?

objec­tively, everything’s going to fall apart the­re… but Smir­nov told me his lawy­ers are weak,

my opi­ni­on… and I told Lyo­sha that his lawy­ers are weak. He says, I know they’­re weak, this one gave

And that one says he did­n’t take his lawyers

we’­re chan­ging… did you talk to AB

not AB, I tal­ked to Oleg, a long time ago (indis­tinct) I offe­red him my lawy­ers, he did­n’t take them, but that was befo­re all this…

he says he took them now, but now he’s chan­ging them, becau­se they’­re weak… ah, *** knows, they’ll sort it out

well, so-so…

well, just when this one wan­ted… (whis­pe­ring) they appoin­ted a prosecutor

when he wants – he does… here this one is stee­ring ever­ything, as I under­stand… well, it’s clear,

…he was mee­ting, well… he sat the­re silently

no, the Pro­jec­ti­le told him…

Well

I under­stand who there’s hope on,

he tells him?

yes

and who not so much

no, I understand

Not­hing else is going to hap­pen here at all… I took your lea­ding position

you were the one who started

yes

I’m not doing anything… objec­tively… I’m not mee­ting with anyo­ne, not giving any com­man­ds, not taking any money…

well, ***, what a pal, some kind of tele­path extern­al­ly mana­ging some minis­try… it’s just unplea­sant… if you like to ride, you have to car­ry the sled

if you did­n’t ride?

we’­re on a team

yes… I wro­te to Vova, and he said nothing

yeah

and have they arrived?

yeah

I don’t know… and whe­re did they go?

yes

The Ger­man For­eign Minis­ter arri­ved today,

I think he is there

had a good trip, met with Trump

well, NABU is on a rampage

yes

and it’s ram­pa­ging along the President’s line

nah

well, what is this? Not the pre­si­den­ti­al team?… And *** how many pro­se­cu­tors, cops ***… it was clear, clear and clear again

the hap­piest person

it’s good that I think I would­n’t have got­ten invol­ved any­whe­re even if I were,

but I’m still glad

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