The right order of things

26. März 2023

1.

20. März 2022

Seit Wochen behaup­ten, man sei offen für neue Gesprä­che, aber wenn dann nur auf einer Ebe­ne Selenskyj/Putin direkt, nicht so unter lower rank Diplo­ma­ten, damit Selen­skyj mit Putin gleich bespre­chen kann, was denn mit den, Selen­skyj Zitat - gehirn­ge­wa­sche­nen Leu­ten im Don­bas und auf der Krim pas­sie­ren soll, die Selen­skyj dann bei dem Tref­fen von Russ­land zurück bekom­me. (30 Jah­re Auto­no­mie der Regio­nen, dann auto­ma­ti­scher Über­gang in die poli­ti­sche Ver­wal­tung der Ukraine.)

Zaka­ria: Pre­si­dent Biden has cal­led Vla­di­mir Putin a war cri­mi­nal, and yet you have cal­led for nego­tia­ti­ons with him. Will it be hard, will it be pain­ful for you to have to sit down with Putin, were he could agree and nego­tia­te with him?

Selen­skyy: I am rea­dy for nego­tia­ti­ons with him.

I was rea­dy over the last two years and i think that -- I think that without nego­tia­ti­ons we can­not end this war.

I think that all the peop­le who think that this dia­lo­gue is shal­low and that it is not going to result in anything, they just don’t under­stand that this is very valuable.

If the­re is just 1% chan­ce for us to stop this war, i think that we need to take this chan­ce. We need to do that.

I can tell you about the result of the­se nego­tia­ti­ons. In any case, we are losing peop­le on a dai­ly basis, inno­cent peop­le on the ground.

Rus­si­an for­ces have come to exter­mi­na­te us, to kill us, and we have demons­tra­ted the digni­ty of our peop­le and our army, that we are -- we are able to deal a power­ful blow, we are able to strike back, but unfor­tu­n­a­te­ly our digni­ty is not going to pre­ser­ve the lives, so i think that we have to use any for­mat, any chan­ce in order to have the pos­si­bi­li­ty of nego­tia­ting the pos­si­bi­li­ty of tal­king to Putin.

But if the­se attempts fail, that would mean that this is a third world war. 

Zaka­ria: You know the rus­si­an deman­ds, they want you to reco­gni­ze that cri­mea is part of rus­sia, that the two repu­blics in the Don­bas are inde­pen­dent republics.

They want a gua­ran­tee, perhaps in the ukrai­ni­an con­sti­tu­ti­on, that ukrai­ne will never be a mem­ber of NATO.

Are you wil­ling to make tho­se compromises?

Selen­skyy: Com­pro­mi­ses for which we can­not be rea­dy as an inde­pen­dent sta­te are any com­pro­mi­ses rela­ted to our ter­ri­to­ri­al inte­gri­ty and our sov­er­eig­n­ty and the ukrai­ni­an peop­le have spo­ken about it, they have not gree­ted rus­si­an sol­di­ers with a bunch of flowers, they have gree­ted them with bra­very, they have gree­ted them with wea­pons in their hands.

So for­ci­b­ly you can­not make yourself a friend, you can­not car­ry favor with the citi­zens of ano­t­her coun­try for­ci­b­ly. You can­not just make a pre­si­dent of ano­t­her coun­try to reco­gni­ze anything by the use of force.

So ever­ything that they are doing is not just about poli­tics, it’s about -- it’s about rea­li­ty. They have made their way to Ker­shon regi­on but peop­le are fee­ling hat­red and ani­mo­si­ty and they will con­ti­nue to kill rus­si­ans becau­se rus­si­ans have kil­led their children.

You can­not rever­se this situa­ti­on anymore.

You can­not just demand from Ukrai­ne to reco­gni­ze some ter­ri­to­ries as inde­pen­dent republics.

The­se com­pro­mi­ses are sim­ply wrong.

I can­not reco­gni­ze per­so­nal­ly as a pre­si­dent and second­ly as a citi­zen and third­ly you can­not for­ce peop­le to love the enemy. That’s impossible.

What you can do is to make a pau­se and just deci­de on how we are going to live fur­ther on.

What has to be done in order to put an end to the war, to pre­vent fur­ther wars, and how to find and approach the­se ter­ri­to­ries which are tem­pora­ri­ly occupied.

This is a very dif­fi­cult mat­ter becau­se part of the­se ter­ri­to­ries were occu­p­ied eight yars ago and during ent­i­re peri­od of eight years they have been brain washing peop­le and child­ren on who they are. They’­ve been tel­ling them that they have pre­ser­ved their lives, they have been tel­ling lies that ukrai­ni­ans are fascists, they have been fil­ling their heads with lies for many years and it’s very dif­fi­cult becau­se of that to find understanding.

You defi­ni­te­ly under­stand what infor­ma­ti­on poli­ci­es mean, the­re­fo­re, we have to come up with a model whe­re Ukrai­ne will not lose it’s ter­ri­to­ri­al integrity.

We can­not con­ce­de to it.

But still we have to find a model of under­stan­ding to pre­vent fur­ther wars bet­ween our ter­ri­to­ries that we con­trol and tem­pora­ry occu­p­ied territories.

So wha­te­ver the dis­cus­sions that we have in our nego­tia­ting alle­ga­ti­ons, i think that it’s just -- the two of us, me and Putin, who can make an agree­ment on this.

2.

Ein­schub:

04. Febru­ar 2023

Ver­schwei­gen, dass man zum Zeit­punkt von 1. bereits - auf Druck des Wes­tens, einen Dia­log­frie­den in Ver­hand­lun­gen aus­ge­schlos­sen hat. Sie­he Nafta­ly Bennett.

3.

03. April 2022

Kule­ba zu Times Radio schi­cken, wo der erst Mal der Welt erklä­ren kann wie man Butscha ausspricht.

Ohne dass es davor jemand falsch aus­ge­spro­chen hätte -

(Thats But­cher, not Bucca)

Dort eine Pas­sa­ge plat­zie­ren in der Kule­ba wie­der­holt erwähnt, dass er zu dem Teil der Per­so­nen im Füh­rungs­stab gehö­re hat die “bis zum Ende kämp­fen wol­len”, und dass er das immer schon woll­te “nicht erst seit Butscha”.

- raped women, kil­led, tor­tu­red civi­li­ans, mass gra­ves, safa­ris arran­ged by rus­si­an sol­di­ers against human civi­li­an, against civi­li­ans - it’s unspeaka­ble and I was com­mit­ted even befo­re But­cha - the - by the way it’s the right spel­ling is but­cher not buc­ca, I was com­mit­ted to pro­se­cu­ting all rus­si­an atro­ci­ties and war cri­mi­nals and to doing ever­ything that i could as for­eign minis­ter, to bring them to account but now --

I will be doing it until my last breath. They have to bear respon­si­bi­li­ty and the world has to punish rus­sia for its bar­ba­ri­an atro­ci­ties com­mit­ted in Ukrai­ne this is worse - Rus­sia is worse than isis, full stop

Sie­he: click

Jetzt ist das aber gut dass “ich per­sön­lich war ja immer schon der Mei­nung”, “man spricht das übri­gens But­cher (Schläch­ter) aus”, es wur­den Safa­ris ver­an­stal­tet, und “aber von jetzt an mach ichs, bis ich ster­be” und “denn die Rus­sen sind schlim­mer als Isis” -- KEIN vor­be­rei­te­ter Pro­pa­gan­da­text war, denn wie wür­de das denn an der Stel­le aussehen.

Zusatz Selen­skyj:

06. April 2022

Nach dem ers­ten Besuch der Mas­sen­grä­ber in Butscha:

Unfor­tu­n­a­te­ly, Butscha is just one of many examp­les of what the occu­p­iers did,” he said. This is not­hing but the actions of ter­ro­rists and it is the worst war crime sin­ce World War II. Rus­sia must be held accoun­ta­ble for this asked Zelen­skyi, who also show­ed the Secu­ri­ty Coun­cil a video of pic­tures of the atro­ci­ties lined up next to each other, describ­ing the cri­mes in detail.

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- was damals (auf­grund der Schwe­re der Gräul­ta­ten in Butscha) HÖCHST deplat­ziert gewirkt hat.

Aber kei­ne Angst heu­te ist Butscha ja der Grund wess­halb die Ukrai­ne jetzt bis zum Sieg­frie­den wei­ter­kämp­fen muss.

Pro­pa­gan­da hat hier noch nie­mand entdeckt.

4.

12. April 2022

In Son­die­run­gen zu Frie­dens­ver­hand­lun­gen als Ukrai­ne auch in der ZWEITEN Ver­hand­lungs­run­de in der Tür­kei dann ein­fach nicht mehr reagieren -

und Russ­land dar­auf­hin die Gesprä­che abbre­chen lassen.

Fol­lowing the arri­val of Bri­tish Prime Minis­ter Boris John­son in Kyiv, a pos­si­ble mee­ting bet­ween Ukrai­ni­an Pre­si­dent Vla­di­mir Zelen­skyy and Rus­si­an Pre­si­dent Vla­di­mir Putin has beco­me less likely.

Source: Ukrain­s­ka Prav­da arti­cle “From Zelenskyy’s “Sur­ren­der” to Putin’s Sur­ren­der. How Nego­tia­ti­ons with Rus­sia Are Going”.

Quo­te from the arti­cle: “The Rus­si­an side…was actual­ly rea­dy for the Zelenskyy-Putin meeting.

But two things hap­pen­ed, after which a mem­ber of the Ukrai­ni­an dele­ga­ti­on, Mykhailo Podo­li­ak, had to open­ly admit that it was “not the time” for the mee­ting of the presidents. 

The first thing was the reve­la­ti­on of the atro­ci­ties, rapes, mur­ders, mas­sa­c­res, loo­ting, indiscri­mi­na­te bom­bings and hund­reds and thousands of other war cri­mes com­mit­ted by Rus­si­an tro­ops in the tem­pora­ri­ly occu­p­ied Ukrai­ni­an territories…

The second “obsta­cle” to agree­ments with the Rus­si­ans arri­ved in Kyiv on 9 April.”

Details: Accord­ing Ukrain­s­ka Prav­da sources clo­se to Zelen­skyy, the Prime Minis­ter of the United King­dom Boris John­son, who appeared in the capi­tal almost without warning, brought two simp­le messages.

The first is that Putin is a war cri­mi­nal, he should be pres­su­red, not nego­tia­ted with.

And the second is that even if Ukrai­ne is rea­dy to sign some agree­ments on gua­ran­tees with Putin, they are not.

Johnson’s posi­ti­on was that the collec­ti­ve West, which back in Febru­a­ry had sug­gested Zelen­skyy should sur­ren­der and flee, now felt that Putin was not real­ly as power­ful as they had pre­vious­ly ima­gi­ned, and that here was a chan­ce to “press him.”

Three days after John­son left for Bri­tain, Putin went public and said talks with Ukrai­ne “had tur­ned into a dead end”. [Ukrai­ni­an Pravda]

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Was war denn das “second obsti­cle” das da am 09. April in der Ukrai­ne ange­kom­men ist? Ach­so ja, sie­he BBC - click.

Dabei ver­schwei­gen, dass die tak­ti­sche Umstel­lung zur mas­si­ven Auf­rüs­tung der Ukrai­ne mit schwe­ren Angriffs­waf­fen, bereits vier Tage VOR Butscha (29. März 2022) auf einer Kon­fe­renz in der Tür­kei von einem Prä­si­den­ti­al­be­ra­ter der Ukrai­ne ein­ge­for­dert wurde.
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Eben­falls ver­schwei­gen, dass das Atlan­tic Coun­cil die­se For­de­rung zwei Tage VOR Butscha (31. März 2022) über­nom­men und das Nar­ra­tiv kre­iert hat, dass der Wes­ten schwe­re Angriffs­waf­fen jetzt lie­fern müs­se “da sich die Ukrai­ne sonst bald nicht mehr ver­tei­di­gen könne”.
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5.

24. Mai 2022

Selen­skyj die Vor­be­din­gun­gen für Waf­fen­still­stands­ver­hand­lun­gen auf dem World Eco­no­mic Forum leicht abän­dern las­sen. Selen­skyj ist zu dem Zeit­punkt medi­al immer noch Friedenspräsident:

Ukrai­ni­an Pre­si­dent Volo­dym­yr Selen­sky insists on direct talks with Rus­si­an lea­der Vla­di­mir Putin. In an address to the World Eco­no­mic Forum in Davos, he again rejec­ted con­sul­ta­ti­ons through media­tors. If Putin unders­tood rea­li­ty, the­re would be a chan­ce to find a diplo­ma­tic way out of the con­flict. The lea­ders­hip in Moscow should with­draw its tro­ops to the lines befo­re it began its inva­si­on of Ukrai­ne on 24 Febru­a­ry, Selen­skyj deman­ds. “This could be a first step towards talks.” Ukrai­ne will fight until it has regai­ned all its ter­ri­to­ry, he said. (APA/AFP)

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A first step! Wie gnädig.

6.

26. Mai 2022

Kule­ba: The­re are now no pre­con­di­ti­ons for ent­e­ring peace nego­tia­ti­ons, apart from Ukrai­ne “fee­ling” that “they are held in good faith”. And “rus­sia will only come for­ward to hold peace nego­tia­ti­ons [no in good faith used in that phra­sing] - if they are star­ting to lose, and are covering their los­ses, that I can pro­mi­se you.”

[…]

Kule­ba is now open­ly for other nati­ons enga­ging in hel­pful diplo­ma­tic talks that could bring about the end of the war. It is just that “they cant impo­se “new lines of con­ta­ct””, or “touch the ter­ri­to­ri­al inte­gri­ty of Ukrai­ne, as a who­le - at all”.

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7.

1. Juni 2022

Man­gott in der ZIB 2:

Das Pro­blem ist, dass Selen­skyj selbst sei­ne Kriegs­zie­le immer anders defi­niert. Manch­mal sagt er die Rus­sen müs­sen aus dem gan­zen Land ver­trie­ben wer­den, also auch von der Krim, manch­mal sagt er - eh, ah, es wird schwie­rig wer­den die Rus­sen aus den Gebie­ten zu ver­trei­ben wo sie vor dem Krieg schon waren, aber was wir jeden­falls tun wer­den ist bis zum letz­ten Mann den Don­bas zu verteidigen.”

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DANN ZWEI MONATE PAUSE

Talk amongst yourself, and deli­be­ra­te how you enjoy­ed the show so far!

Wei­ter gehts!

8.

30. Sep­tem­ber 2022

Ein Präsidential-Dekret von Selen­skyj ver­ab­schie­den las­sen, das es jedem Ukrai­ner unter Stra­fe ver­bie­tet mit Putin zu verhandeln.

DECISIONS

The Natio­nal Secu­ri­ty and Defen­se Coun­cil of Ukraine

on Sep­tem­ber 30, 2022

Regar­ding the extre­me respon­se to the attempt of the Rus­si­an Fede­ra­ti­on to annex the ter­ri­to­ry of our sta­te, in order to gua­ran­tee the secu­ri­ty of the Euro-Atlantic space, Ukrai­ne and the res­to­ra­ti­on of its ter­ri­to­ri­al integrity

Taking into account the results of the mee­ting of the Supre­me Commander-in-Chief’s Staff and having heard the mem­bers of the Natio­nal Secu­ri­ty and Defen­se Coun­cil of Ukrai­ne. The Natio­nal Secu­ri­ty and Defen­se Coun­cil of Ukrai­ne has deci­ded to:

1. To sta­te the impos­si­bi­li­ty of hol­ding nego­tia­ti­ons with the Pre­si­dent of the Rus­si­an Fede­ra­ti­on, Vla­di­mir Putin.

2. To appro­ve the text of the joint appeal of the Pre­si­dent of Ukrai­ne, the Chair­man of the Ver­k­hov­na Rada of Ukrai­ne and the Prime Minis­ter of Ukrai­ne to the North Atlan­tic Trea­ty Organization.

3. The Cabi­net of Minis­ters should urgent­ly pre­pa­re pro­po­sals for a mul­ti­la­te­ral sys­tem of secu­ri­ty gua­ran­tees based on mul­ti­la­te­ral and bila­te­ral agree­ments of Ukrai­ne. I id aim to bring the defen­se poten­ti­al of Ukrai­ne to a level that will ensu­re in the gua­ran­te­ed deter­rence of the Rus­si­an Federation’s wea­pons of aggres­si­on. Streng­t­he­ning Ukraine’s mili­ta­ry sup­port for buil­ding up its defen­se capa­bi­li­ties. Pro­mo­ting the deve­lo­p­ment of the defen­se indus­try and signi­fi­cant­ly incre­a­sing the sca­le and scope of indi­vi­du­al and collec­ti­ve trai­ning of the Ukrai­ni­an military.

4. In the con­text of esca­la­ti­on by the Rus­si­an Fede­ra­ti­on, the Cabi­net of Minis­ters of Ukrai­ne should ensu­re the streng­t­he­ning of Ukraine’s defen­se capa­bi­li­ties by incre­a­sing the sup­ply of mili­ta­ry and tech­ni­cal assi­s­tance. Ukraine

5. To recom­mend to the Ver­k­hov­na Rada of Ukrai­ne to acce­le­ra­te the adop­ti­on of rele­vant draft laws on reli­able sanc­tions and a bet­ter respon­se to the esca­la­ti­on of the Rus­si­an Fede­ra­ti­on in order to advan­ce the state’s defen­se Federation.

Secreta­ry of the Natio­nal Secu­ri­ty and Defen­se Coun­cil of Ukrai­ne Olek­san­dr Danilov

Trans­la­ted with www.DeepL.com/Translator

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9.

17. März 2023

IStGH: Haft­be­fehl gegen Wla­di­mir Putin wird erlas­sen (Wesent­lich für das Ende die­ses Beitrags.)

10.

25. März 2023

Yomi­uri Shim­bun (die japa­ni­sche Tages­zei­tung mit der größ­ten Reich­wei­te) Interview:

On March 23, Ukrai­ni­an Pre­si­dent Wlo­di­mir Zelen­sky gave an exclu­si­ve inter­view to the Yomi­uri Shim­bun, say­ing that Japan, the chair of the Group of Seven (G7) indus­tria­li­zed nati­ons, “needs Japan’s lea­ders­hip” to help Ukrai­ne reco­ver from the Rus­si­an aggres­si­on. He expres­sed hope for civi­li­an assi­s­tance and eco­no­mic coope­ra­ti­on. Regar­ding Chi­na, which has pro­po­sed an ear­ly resump­ti­on of peace nego­tia­ti­ons, he noted that he has not recei­ved any pro­po­sal, and cla­ri­fied that he has reques­ted coope­ra­ti­on with Ukraine’s “10-point peace plan” [Anm.: Der der als ers­ten Punkt “Punish­ment” des Angrei­fers for­dert.] and a sum­mit mee­ting with the Ukrai­ni­an side.

[…]

Mr. Zelen­sky also expres­sed a strong sen­se of urgen­cy about Russia’s cur­rent occup­a­ti­on of nuclear power plants, stres­sing the need for Japa­ne­se know­ledge of nuclear protection.

Regar­ding the pos­si­bi­li­ty of dia­lo­gue with Rus­si­an Pre­si­dent Vla­di­mir Putin, he said that “the con­di­ti­ons are not in place at all” to con­duct peace nego­tia­ti­ons. First, Rus­sia must lea­ve the ter­ri­to­ry,” he said, adding that a cease­fire by Mr. Putin “can­not be trusted”.

Trans­la­ted with www.DeepL.com/Translator

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Am SELBEN TAG in Öster­reich erschienen:

25. März 2023

Der ukrai­ni­sche Außen­mi­nis­ter Dmy­t­ro Kule­ba drängt im „Presse“-Interview auf Bei­trit­te zu Nato und EU, ver­langt mehr Muni­ti­on und schließt einen Rück­zug aus Bach­mut aus.

[…]

Der ukrai­ni­sche Außen­mi­nis­ter Dmy­t­ro Kule­ba drängt im „Presse“-Interview auf Bei­trit­te zu Nato und EU, ver­langt mehr Muni­ti­on und schließt einen Rück­zug aus Bach­mut aus. Er wäre bereit zu Ver­hand­lun­gen mit Ser­gej Law­row, hält Mos­kau aber noch nicht für so weit.

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Aso, jetzt haben wirs dann aber bald, oder?

Und das, dh. der letz­te Satz, ist heu­te Qua­li­täts­jour­na­lis­mus in Österreich.

Sterbt ihr Schweine.









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