Getting banned on /r/ukraine is fun.

13. September 2023

Can someo­ne lay it out for me, why peop­le should sup­port this war for ano­t­her 10 years via paypal (thats how long ger­ma­ny has plan­ned its mili­ta­ry aid for, which Anne App­le­baum finds high­ly appro­pria­te), when clear­ly cri­mea is almost out of fuel, and the sub­se­quent fami­ne, which Ukrai­ne can use as a means of pres­su­re to for­ce rus­sia to nego­tia­te, surely is only a mat­ter of days away?

Becau­se its 20 USD Tues­day, so lets get a dona­ti­on train rolling?

I’m cur­r­ent­ly watching this (see below) - and would real­ly like to know.

The favo­ri­te con­fe­rence of Timo­thy Sny­der (see: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/30/how-timothy-snyder-became-the-leading-interpreter-of-our-dark-times-putin-trump-ukraine , see also: click) has gone into ano­t­her round!

Here is what was dis­cus­sed - with hea­vy US par­ti­ci­pa­ti­on and mode­ra­ti­on this time around:

YES WAR ROOM: Yal­ta Euro­pean Stra­te­gy Annu­al Mee­ting 2023 Opening

The ope­ning panel was rebran­ded “YES war room”.

From the war room, we get strai­ght into:

What Does This War Mean for the Future of Man­kind and Today’s Civilization?

Then of cour­se we ven­ture over to

What Heroes Fight For and Give Their Lives For

And yes, at least one hero sad­ly has died.

Of cour­se, lea­ving amp­le time to get into the real­ly important, detail­ed stuff, like --

What Works In Today’s World and What Must Be Chan­ged? (with Boris Johnson)

Which is fores­ha­dowing the next panel of -

To Secu­ri­ty and Jus­ti­ce in an Unsafe World: Con­cre­te Steps

Then comes the con­fe­rence highlight:

A Con­ver­sa­ti­on with Geor­ge W. Bush: Ukrai­ne and NATO: Loo­king Back to 2008 and to the Future

Befo­re real­ly get­ting into the deep fis­cal deba­tes of -

Sup­por­ting Ukrai­ne Is the Best You Can Do For the Glo­bal Economy?

After which its final­ly time for a -

Working Bre­ak­fast: Insti­tu­ti­ons, Mecha­nisms and Plans for Ukraine’s Reconstruction.

Which leads into the aptly named -

The Eco­no­my of Sur­vi­val and the Eco­no­my of Recovery

Which means for any bankrupt coun­try plea­sing inter­na­tio­nal inves­tors of cour­se, so we get to

Reforms, Demo­cra­cy and Ukraine’s Acces­si­on to NATO and the EU

next.

But then they are more inte­res­ted in -

The Mili­ta­ry Front

Now we come to the aspi­ra­tio­nal part of the Conference.

The Power of Ukraine’s Ideas

but what would the Power of Ukraine’s ide­as be without Natio­na­lism? So lets have a ses­si­on on:

Has the West Lear­ned from Its Mista­kes After Years of Neglec­ting Ukrai­ne to coope­ra­te with Russia.

Then, strai­ght into

Healing Ukrai­ne: Reha­bi­li­ta­ti­on and Men­tal Health

(Becau­se Hero sad­ly died?)

But then back on track with the best our mili­ta­ry lea­ders­hip can mus­ter in terms of brin­ging this to a mili­ta­ry end, which of cour­se is a panel on -

Path to Vic­to­ry: A View from the US Government

After having heard so much regar­ding the future of Ukrai­ne, its time for - a Townhall:

Town­hall What is the Defi­ni­ti­on of Vic­to­ry as of Sep­tem­ber 9, 2023?

Topic: Vic­to­ry, what does that even mean?!

But honest­ly I have no idea what this is:

Of 8 Bil­li­on Peop­le, How Many Are on Ukraine’s Side?

May­be a public edu­ca­tio­nal function/initiative of the ukrai­ni­an state?

May­be we can ask him?

Con­ver­si­on with Kyry­lo Buda­nov, Lieu­ten­ant Gene­ral, Chief of the Defence Intel­li­gence of Ukraine

Thats it, thank you for your atten­ti­on and may we see you next year!

Clo­sing Remarks

Havent found any PR here so far though.

Nata­lia Gume­ni­uk (the mode­ra­tor in the Nuland video), for tho­se who dont know her here, is a ukrai­ni­an PR per­son, that does focus tes­ting, on what messaging to use to edu­ca­te the public on topics regar­ding the ukrai­ne war (https://en.journlab.online/home)

We crea­te high qua­li­ty con­tent to pro­mo­te a con­struc­ti­ve dis­cus­sion around com­plex social topics, and test this con­tent on audi­en­ces, befo­re deve­lo­ping edi­to­ri­al stra­te­gies based on the socio­lo­gi­cal rese­arch. Our experts rese­arch public opi­ni­on and test con­tent among dif­fe­rent audi­en­ces, and media archi­tects deve­lop edi­to­ri­al stra­te­gies based on socio­lo­gi­cal rese­arch and audi­en­ces’ feedback. 

Her agen­cy is fun­ded by the ukrai­ni­an government and the Stav­ros Niar­chos Foun­da­ti­on SNF Ago­ra Insti­tu­te at Johns Hop­kins Uni­ver­si­ty. Stav­ros Nia­chos was the, sin­ce decea­sed, greek bil­lion­aire ship­ping com­pa­ny mogu­le who got to buy all US war ships in euro­pe after WW2 for pen­nies on the dol­lar, to start his ship­ping empi­re with. Ah the stories.…

Here is Gume­ni­uk tel­ling an audi­ence, how gre­at the ukrai­ni­an patrol poli­ce is, which all jour­na­lists in the Ukrai­ne have to get accredi­ted by, by now. Inclu­ding a christ­mas tree in the sto­ry and ever­ything.… Gre­at peop­le, by the way, which invi­ted her to con­certs first and later also orga­ni­zed the first jour­na­lists trips to Bucha. (Just one guy in the audi­ence wasnt com­ply­ing and asked a nas­ty ques­ti­on, other­wi­se that event was great.):

Embed­ded Repor­ting == Front­li­ne Journalism

Zusatz:
Gut - jetzt bestä­tigt auf der Kon­fe­renz Chris­ti­an Freu­ding, was deut­sche Jour­na­lis­ten bereits vor 23 Tagen hören durften:

Seh­emp­feh­lung wegen etwas ganz Ande­rem. Der Jour­na­lis­mus freut sich wie­der und springt nickend und lächelnd im Kreis, weil er end­lich wie­der Cathryn Clü­ver Ash­brook befra­gen kann, wies denn jetzt weitergeht.

Er war seit zwei Wochen jetzt bereits so gespannt drauf.

Clü­ver Ash­brook erklärt dem deut­schen Qua­li­täts­jour­na­lis­mus heu­te - ja also so 10 Jah­re Krieg wür­de ich für Deutsch­land schon einplanen

src: click

Der Krieg dau­ert noch 10 Jahre.

see: click

Deutsch­land plant die mili­tä­ri­sche Unter­stüt­zung schon bis 2033.

Chris­ti­an Freu­ding wird auf der YES con­fe­rence natür­lich inter­viewt von der unab­hän­gi­gen Anne Applebaum.

Solitary confinement, very bad.

10. September 2023

You couldnt take it for more than two weeks. Its against the law.

Now back to the important ques­ti­ons at hand. 

How has the US film­crew that worked on a docu­men­ta­ry about lovers who died in a vul­ca­nic errup­ti­on, which was in aus­tria by acci­dent, whe­re they were just finis­hing ano­t­her pro­ject, mana­ged to get into the Schwarz­wald and talk to Naval­ny (whos behind secu­ri­ty detail­ing at that point), and con­vin­ce him that - and I quo­te “the docu­men­ta­ry will be your insuran­ce poli­cy”, to sub­se­quent­ly par­ti­ci­pa­te in the sundance film fes­ti­val (AGAIN?! Die “gewon­ne­nen Awards” von 20 Days in Mariu­pol wur­den in den letz­ten Mona­ten auf­ge­hübscht. Die bes­te Doku des Jah­res! Sagt das Sundance Film Fes­ti­val. Und die Docu­days UA (Ukrai­ne), und das DocA­viv Fes­ti­val in Isra­el. Und das Fes­ti­val der Cine­ma for Peace Foun­da­ti­on in Ber­lin. Und CPH:DOX (Jury­preis! Aber ernst­zu­neh­men­des Film­fes­ti­val) und natür­lich das Cleve­land Inter­na­tio­nal Film Fes­ti­val mit sei­nem berühm­ten Greg Gund Memo­ri­al Stan­ding UP Award!) - and only short­ly after the docu­men­ta­ry pre­mie­red at sundance -- hundred-thousands, if not mil­li­ons of peop­le alrea­dy saw it online. And from social media moni­to­ring we even know, that it drew trac­tion in russia.

Which is obvious­ly the ans­wer to the mode­ra­tor of the Insti­tu­te of Poli­tics at Har­vard Ken­ne­dy School asking the panel twice - how that docu­men­ta­ry has been recei­ved in rus­sia, how wide spread its reco­gni­ti­on was, and what its impact has been.

You know fol­lowing the usu­al publi­shing sche­du­le of “we release it for free in the second week after it pre­mie­res at sundance”, and then have peop­le at a Ken­ne­dy school panel pro­noun­ce proud­ly, that as soon as one ser­ver in rus­sia was taken down, ano­t­her one pop­ped up, becau­se this was so crowd sourced.

The Sundance Pre­mie­re was on Janu­a­ry 25th 2022, the first tor­rents released 8 days later on Febru­a­ry the 3rd. (see: click)

AVC
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For­mat pro­fi­le : High@L4.1
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 042 kb/s
Maxi­mum bit rate : 2 000 kb/s
Width : 960 pixels
Height : 480 pixels

Which was befo­re the imdb page of the film was even craw­led by goog­le, which hap­pen­ed on the 29th of Febru­a­ry 2022.

Spe­ci­fied as a Web­rip. So not as a scree­ner. Which is rather odd, becau­se the Wiki­pe­dia page of the movie doesnt men­ti­on any web­re­lease back then…

In fact the first docu­men­ted sce­ne release (with an actu­al .nfo file) hap­pen­ed three mon­ths later on the 29th of May 2022, the source then was being indi­ca­ted as HBO Max. Which fun­ni­ly enough had released the film for strea­ming on 26th of May 2022, with the only pri­or airing being on CNN on the 28th of April 2022, accord­ing to the films wiki­pe­dia page.

Also, Medu­za repor­ted this in March 2023:

Anti-Corruption Foun­da­ti­on employees share free pira­ted ver­si­on of ‘Naval­ny’ documentary
11:33 am, March 14, 2023Source: Meduza
Several top employees of Ale­xey Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foun­da­ti­on (FBK) shared links to a free and pres­um­a­b­ly pira­ted online ver­si­on of the film Naval­ny, which won the Aca­de­my Award for best fea­ture docu­men­ta­ry on Sunday, on Twit­ter and Telegram.

The ver­si­on of the film avail­ab­le on the site lin­ked by the acti­vists inclu­des the ori­gi­nal English-language audio with Rus­si­an sub­tit­les. There’s cur­r­ent­ly no legal way to watch the film in Russia.

In the posts whe­re they shared the link to the film, the FBK employees jokin­gly feig­ned frus­tra­ti­on that the film had been “lea­ked” by “pira­tes.” Ale­xey Navalny’s press secreta­ry, Kira Yar­mysh, has not respon­ded to Meduza’s ques­ti­ons about whe­ther the Anti-Corruption Foun­da­ti­on is asso­cia­ted with the site, though she also shared the link on Twitter.

src: click

Which is also gre­at, becau­se the Anti-Corruption Foun­da­ti­on employees coin­ci­dent­al­ly “found” the movie about one year after its initi­al leak online, and then resha­red it, just in time, after it won the Oscar.

Gre­at publis­her, btw, that sees all that and just isnt in it for the money… War­ner Bros. btw.

Of cour­se the film makers were touched and their bus­som swo­le with pri­de, when Naval­ny told them, that he deci­ded to move back to Rus­sia again, whe­re “they arres­ted him befo­re he even got his pass­port back”. [Bad rese­arch on part of the Mode­ra­tor by the way - becau­se the more note­wor­thy aspect was, that they rerou­t­ed his flight to ano­t­her air­port so media and the public wouldnt inter­rupt the arrest too much…], and then they alrea­dy got their second Oscar nomi­na­ti­on, and sub­se­quent win - the next year, so ever­ything worked out well.

Never­mind what hap­pen­ed to Naval­ny. The panel of cour­se indi­ca­tes that his spi­rits are still high and his will is unbro­ken, which can be glea­ned from his “15 the­ses of a Rus­si­an citi­zen who desi­res the best for their coun­try” (see below).

The film pro­du­cer won an Oscar three years pri­or of cour­se, for a docu­men­ta­ry about Bra­sil, a coun­try on the edge of demo­cra­cy.

So it real­ly was good luck, that the Film­crew was alrea­dy in Aus­tria, when Naval­ny was in Schwarzwald.

And who is that in the same panel? Oh, its Chris­to Gro­zev! Who runs bel­ling­cat! Which in Gros­t­evs own words is not the Anti-Wikileaks, its real­ly so much more respon­si­ble (respon­si­ble dis­clo­sure) than Wiki­leaks ever was. 

It alrea­dy stop­ped taking fun­ding from the U.S. government’s Natio­nal Endow­ment for Demo­cra­cy last year.

So any poten­ti­al asso­cia­ti­ons with Wiki­leaks foun­der Assan­ge are just ent­i­re­ly misplaced.

Very bad, that soli­ta­ry con­fi­ne­ment, very bad.

In Rus­sia it nor­mal­ly wouldnt even be legal for more than two weeks in a row. But do you know the trick the rus­si­ans use to get around that?

The Har­vard Ken­ne­dy Cen­ter for Poli­tics will tell you! In this video.

Just stay with it - at least until the moment the filmma­ker exp­lains to you his “con­tai­ner of mea­ning” con­cept of docu­men­ta­ry filmmaking.

edit: Ever­yo­ne on the panel also was not­hing but impres­sed by Navalnys

15 the­ses of a Rus­si­an citi­zen who desi­res the best for their country

- of course:

On the eve of the anni­ver­s­a­ry of the full-scale and unpro­vo­ked inva­si­on of Ukrai­ne by Rus­si­an tro­ops, I have sum­ma­ri­zed the poli­ti­cal plat­form of mine and, hope­ful­ly, of many other decent people.

15 the­ses of a Rus­si­an citi­zen who desi­res the best for their country.

What was all this about and what are we dealing with now?

Pre­si­dent Putin has unleas­hed an unjust war of aggres­si­on against Ukrai­ne under ridi­cu­lous pre­texts. He is desper­ate­ly try­ing to make this a “people’s war,” see­king to turn all Rus­si­an citi­zens into his accom­pli­ces, but his attempts are fai­ling. The­re are almost no vol­un­te­ers for this war, so Putin’s army has to rely on con­victs and for­ci­b­ly mobi­li­zed people.

The real rea­sons for this war are the poli­ti­cal and eco­no­mic pro­blems wit­hin Rus­sia, Putin’s desi­re to hold on to power at any cost, and his obses­si­on with his own his­to­ri­cal lega­cy. He wants to go down in histo­ry as “the con­quer­or tsar” and “the collec­tor of lands.”

Tens of thousands of inno­cent Ukrai­ni­ans have been mur­de­red, and pain and suf­fe­ring has befal­len mil­li­ons more. War cri­mes have been com­mit­ted. Ukrai­ni­an cities and infra­st­ruc­tu­re have been destroyed.

Rus­sia is suf­fe­ring a mili­ta­ry defeat. It was the rea­liz­a­ti­on of this fact that chan­ged the rhe­to­ric of the aut­ho­ri­ties from claims that “Kyiv will fall in three days” to hys­te­ri­cal thre­ats of using nuclear wea­pons should Rus­sia lose. The lives of tens of thousands of Rus­si­an sol­di­ers were need­less­ly rui­ned. The ulti­ma­te mili­ta­ry defeat may be delay­ed at the cost of the lives of hund­reds of thousands more mobi­li­zed sol­di­ers, but it is gene­ral­ly ine­vi­ta­ble. The com­bi­na­ti­on of aggres­si­ve war­fa­re, cor­rup­ti­on, inept gene­rals, weak eco­no­my, and hero­ism and high moti­va­ti­on of the defen­ding for­ces can only result in defeat. The Kremlin’s deceit­ful and hypo­cri­ti­cal calls for nego­tia­ti­ons and cease­fire are not­hing more than a rea­listic assess­ment of the pro­spects of fur­ther mili­ta­ry action.

What are Ukraine’s bor­ders? They are simi­lar to Russia’s - they’re inter­na­tio­nal­ly reco­gni­zed and defi­ned in 1991 [this inclu­des Cri­mea, which is a rever­sal of posi­ti­on by Naval­ny on the day of the release of the 15 the­ses]. Rus­sia also reco­gni­zed the­se bor­ders back then, and it must reco­gni­ze them today as well. The­re is not­hing to dis­cuss here. Almost all bor­ders in the world are more or less acci­den­tal and cau­se someone’s dis­con­tent. But in the twenty-first cen­tu­ry, we can­not start wars just to redraw them. Other­wi­se, the world will sink into chaos.

Rus­sia must lea­ve Ukrai­ne alo­ne and allow it to deve­lop the way its peop­le want. Stop the aggres­si­on, end the war and with­draw all of its tro­ops from Ukrai­ne. Con­ti­nua­tion of this war is just a tan­trum cau­sed by power­less­ness, and put­ting an end to it would be a strong move.

Tog­e­ther with Ukrai­ne, the U.S., the EU and the UK, we must look for accep­ta­ble ways to com­pen­sa­te for the dama­ge done to Ukrai­ne. One way to achie­ve this would be lif­ting the restric­tions impo­sed on our oil and gas, but direc­ting part of the inco­me Rus­sia recei­ves from hydro­car­bon exports towards repa­ra­ti­ons. Of cour­se, this should only be done after the chan­ge of power in Rus­sia and the end of the war.

War cri­mes com­mit­ted during this war must be inves­ti­ga­ted in coope­ra­ti­on with inter­na­tio­nal institutions.

Are all Rus­si­ans inher­ent­ly impe­ria­listic? This is non­sen­se. For examp­le, Bela­rus is also invol­ved in the war against Ukrai­ne. Does this mean that the Bela­ru­si­ans also have an impe­ri­al mind­set? No, they merely also have a dic­ta­tor in power. The­re will always be peop­le with impe­ri­al views in Rus­sia, just like in any other coun­try with his­to­ri­cal pre­con­di­ti­ons for this, but they are far from being the majo­ri­ty. The­re is no rea­son to weep and wail about it. Such peop­le should be defea­ted in elec­tions, just as both right-wing and left-wing radi­cals get defea­ted in deve­lo­ped countries.

Does Rus­sia need new ter­ri­to­ries? Rus­sia is a vast coun­try with a shrin­king popu­la­ti­on and dying out rural are­as. Impe­ria­lism and the urge to sei­ze ter­ri­to­ry is the most harm­ful and dest­ruc­ti­ve path. Once again, the Rus­si­an government is des­troy­ing our future with its own hands just in order to make our coun­try look big­ger on the map. But Rus­sia is big enough as it is. Our objec­ti­ve should be pre­ser­ving our peop­le and deve­lo­ping what we have in abundance.

For Rus­sia, the lega­cy of this war will be a who­le tang­le of com­plex and, at first glance, almost unsolva­ble pro­blems. It is important to estab­lish for our­sel­ves that we real­ly want to sol­ve them, and then begin to do so honest­ly and open­ly. The key to suc­cess lies in under­stan­ding that ending the war as soon as pos­si­ble will not only be good for Rus­sia and its peop­le, but also very pro­fi­ta­ble. This is the only way to start pro­gres­sing toward remo­val of sanc­tions, return of tho­se who left, res­to­ra­ti­on of busi­ness con­fi­dence, and eco­no­mic growth.

Let me re-emphasize that after the war, we will have to reim­bur­se Ukrai­ne for all the dama­ge cau­sed by Putin’s aggres­si­on. Howe­ver, the res­to­ra­ti­on of nor­mal eco­no­mic rela­ti­ons with the civi­li­zed world and the return of eco­no­mic growth will allow us to do so without inter­fe­ring with the deve­lo­p­ment of our coun­try. We have hit rock bot­tom, and in order to resur­face, we need to boun­ce back from it. This would be both ethi­cal­ly cor­rect, ratio­nal, and profitable.

We need to dis­mant­le the Putin regime and its dic­ta­tor­s­hip. Ide­al­ly, through con­duc­ting gene­ral free elec­tions and con­vo­ca­ting the Con­sti­tu­tio­nal Assembly.

We need to estab­lish a par­lia­men­ta­ry repu­blic based on the alter­na­ti­on of power through fair elec­tions, inde­pen­dent courts, federa­lism, local self-governance, com­ple­te eco­no­mic free­dom and social justice.

Reco­gni­zing our histo­ry and tra­di­ti­ons, we must be part of Euro­pe and fol­low the Euro­pean path of deve­lo­p­ment. We have no other choice, nor do we need any.

src: click

Now go and watch the documentary.

Lernen mit dem Wertewesten

10. September 2023

edit: Kor­rek­tur: Die 3mm Kugeln sind ver­mut­lich nur “stee­le sphe­res”, die rund um eine shaped char­ge ange­ord­net sind. Von den shaped char­ges befin­den sich zumin­dest in chi­ne­si­schen Vari­an­ten nur knapp 40 pro Marschflugkörper.
src: click

Die NZZ hat heu­te mal ver­mit­telt woher das eigent­lich kommt, dass die west­li­che Cluster-Ammunition eine um so viel gerin­ge­re Blind­gän­ger­ra­te auf­weist als die russische.

Naja, das ist ganz einfach.

In der Stim­me des rus­si­schen Sol­da­ten schwingt ver­hal­te­ne Bewun­de­rung mit. Er ist wütend und ver­ängs­tigt, aber auch beein­druckt von den Mög­lich­kei­ten west­li­cher Mili­tär­tech­no­lo­gie. 182 000 Kugeln decken in einer ein­zi­gen Sal­ve eine Flä­che von einer hal­ben Qua­drat­mei­le ab und ver­mö­gen Hun­der­te von rus­si­schen Sol­da­ten zu treffen.

Soweit ich weiss, besit­zen die Kugeln in den Cluster-Granaten einen Durch­mes­ser von etwa drei Mil­li­me­tern. Was heisst, das Ergeb­nis wird kein erfreu­li­ches sein.

src: click

Blind­gän­ger, wel­che Blind­gän­ger? Also ich seh kei­ne. Sehen sie Blind­gän­ger Herr Stu­di­en­lei­ter? Nein, der schüt­telt auch den Kopf. Also notie­ren wir “bei­na­he Blind­gän­ger frei”.

Das wird ja rich­tig hei­ter bei der Räu­mung der Gebiete…

Ich habe ja mal unlängst den Vor­schlag gemacht, dass man anstatt ukrai­ni­schen Bau­ern in Ren­te die auf ihrem Land nach Minen suchen, dafür durch­aus auch mal einen EU Pen­sio­nis­ten neh­men könn­te. Ich mein mit Anna­le­na als Schirm­her­rin der Räu­mungs­in­itia­ti­ven wär das doch ganz passend.

Heu­te muss ich den Zusatz anfü­gen - “den kann man dann durchs betrof­fe­ne Gebiet rol­len, und wenn der ne Kugel von 3mm Durch­mes­ser fin­det, dann merkt der das schon”.

Wird das aber hei­ter, wenn spä­ter bei der Minen­räu­mung gan­ze Land­stri­che mit 182.000 Metall­ku­geln pro 1.25km² satu­riert sind.

Kurze Durchsage

10. September 2023

ZDF Aus­lands­kor­re­spon­den­ten erklä­ren den Zuschau­ern den Wer­te­wes­ten. Auf dem G20-Gipfel in Indien.

Alles Deut­sche. Die Bes­ten der Bes­ten. Aus­län­der haben sie auf dem G20 Gip­fels sicher­heits­hal­ber gleich gar nicht vor die Kame­ra geholt. Ich mei­ne bei denen kann man sich ja nie sicher sein, was die da in die Kame­ra erzäh­len - nein so geht das nicht. Da neh­men wir natür­lich lie­ber nur unse­re eige­nen Kor­re­spon­den­ten, las­sen die aber vor­her alle sicher­heits­hal­ber nach Indi­en fliegen.

Für den Background.

Eh klar.

Flam­men­de Ansprachen.

Hier die Flammendste:

US Kor­re­spon­dent [dem man sicher­heits­hal­ber auch gleich die Mode­ra­ti­on umge­hängt hat, man kann ja nie vor­sich­tig genug sein]: “Man hat den Ein­druck Chi­na will das, aber wol­len die ande­ren Län­der wie Indi­en das eigent­lich auch? Und es steht an obers­ter Stel­le dann nur - wir wol­len Ent­wick­lung haben und wenn der Auto­ri­ta­ris­mus uns da bes­ser zum Ziel führt, dann - wer will dann schon noch libe­ra­le Demo­kra­tie, oder Menschenrechte?”

ZDF Haupt­stadt­kor­re­spon­dent: “Ich glau­be das noch nicht. Das sieht im Moment so aus. Im Moment ist der Wes­ten wirk­lich in einer Defen­si­ve, also auch wir sehen ja was in Afri­ka pas­siert. Eine gewähl­te Regie­rung nach der ande­ren wird weg­ge­putscht und so wei­ter, aber wir machen uns manch­mal auch mehr so ein biss­chen lus­tig über die Wer­te und den Wer­te­wes­ten und so wei­ter [Mei­ne Güte die Argu­men­ta­ti­on fliegt heu­te aber tief! Stimmt, wir soll­ten ein­fach alle kri­ti­schen Stim­men deplatt­for­men. Viel bes­ser für Demo­kra­tie, und so wei­ter.], aber der hat eine rie­si­ge Anzie­hungs­kraft für die Leute!

Hol­ly­wood, Kino­fil­me die Spra­che Eng­lisch - das ist ja alles für die, für die nor­ma­len Leu­te da [THE WHAT NOW?!] und die sehen ja auch, dass die Füh­rer, die Anfüh­rer des glo­ba­len Wes­tens [meint die ande­ren, ist aber Haupt­stadt­kor­re­spon­dent muss man wis­sen] sich an der Macht hal­ten weil sie ihre Geg­ner vom Him­mel schie­ßen, in der Bot­schaft zer­sä­gen las­sen [Moooooooooooo­ment, guter Freund des Wes­tens! Guter Freund!] oder mit Mili­tär­putsch weg­schie­ßen. Ich glau­be dass wir da die, die west­li­chen Wer­te noch nicht abschrei­ben soll­ten und ich glau­be auch dass die Anzie­hungs­kraft auf Dau­er grö­ßer sein wird als das was wir jetzt im Moment sehen. 

Die­se Gesell­schaft ist das absoi­lut gro­tesk, abar­tigst Allerletzte.

Um einen Ein­druck zu ver­mit­teln wer das denn da sagt - hier viel­leicht noch eine klei­ne visu­el­le Stütze…

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Ich glaub auf den haben die Inder gewartet.

Sie wis­sen es (laut ihm) nur noch nicht.

Oder halt die 80 Jäh­ri­ge Wit­we, die er als Stamm­se­her beim ZDF bedient.

edit: Kon­text - Wobei laut dem Haupt­stadt­kor­re­spon­den­ten des ZDF haben die alle ein­fach noch nicht genug Fil­me gese­hen. Hol­ly­wood Fil­me vor allem. Und die eng­li­sche Spra­che schät­zen die auch nicht.

edit2: Der Stan­dard hat heu­te einen krea­ti­ven Weg da raus gefun­den! Die G20 kämp­fen gera­de um ihr Überleben!

Der Über­le­bens­kampf der G20

Die wich­tigs­ten Industrie- und Schwel­len­län­der konn­ten sich in Indi­en nur mit Mühe auf eine Abschluss­erklä­rung eini­gen. Die­se sorgt für Kri­tik aus der Ukraine

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Gut - beein­flus­sen woll­te der Wer­te­wes­ten sie natür­lich trotz­dem… Sel­ber Artikel:

Lob aus dem Westen
West­li­che Län­der wie die USA und Deutsch­land ver­such­ten den Gip­fel als Erfolg zu ver­kau­fen. Die Abschluss­erklä­rung sei “ein gro­ßer Schritt nach vorn” – etwa mit Blick auf die Sou­ve­rä­ni­tät und ter­ri­to­ria­le Inte­gri­tät von Staa­ten, sag­te der stell­ver­tre­ten­de natio­na­le Sicher­heits­be­ra­ter der USA, Jon Finer. Und der deut­sche Bun­des­kanz­ler Olaf Scholz erklär­te, es habe ein “kla­res Bekennt­nis” dazu gege­ben, dass die ter­ri­to­ria­le Inte­gri­tät von Staa­ten wie der Ukrai­ne außer Fra­ge stehe.

Tat­säch­lich aber ist der Wes­ten vor Russ­land und Chi­na ein­ge­knickt, und es stellt sich die Fra­ge nach dem War­um. Der offen­sicht­lichs­te Grund ist, dass man Mos­kau dazu bewe­gen möch­te, wie­der zum Getrei­de­deal zurück­zu­keh­ren. Die­ser hat­te trotz des Krie­ges den Export von ukrai­ni­schem Getrei­de über das Schwar­ze Meer ermöglicht.

Doch kein Todesstoß
Der zwei­te Grund ist eher exis­ten­zi­el­ler Natur. Hät­te es kei­ne Abschluss­erklä­rung gege­ben und wäre der Gip­fel damit geschei­tert, dann, so ein west­li­cher Ver­hand­lungs­teil­neh­mer zur Deut­schen Pres­se­agen­tur, hät­te er schon fol­gen­de Schlag­zei­len vor sich gese­hen: “Das Ende der G20” oder “Todes­stoß für die G20”. Und das in Zei­ten, in denen ande­re Bünd­nis­se wie die G7 oder Brics immer bedeu­ten­der wer­den. Man habe also dem Kom­pro­miss zuge­stimmt, um die G20 am Leben zu halten.

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Wie kann man eine Gesellschaft noch verarschen?

09. September 2023

Falls jeman­dem noch nicht klar ist, war­um der Ukrai­ne Krieg wei­ter gehen muss, und er/sie bei den US repu­bli­can deba­tes nach einer Ant­wort sucht - hier ist was Poli­ti­ker die sich als Prä­si­den­ten Anwär­ter in den US sehen dazu wissen:

Nik­ki Haley (01:32:01):

First of all, the Ame­ri­can pre­si­dent needs to have moral cla­ri­ty. They need to know the dif­fe­rence bet­ween right and wrong. They need to know the dif­fe­rence bet­ween good and evil. When you look at the situa­ti­on with Rus­sia and Ukrai­ne, here you have a pro-American coun­try that was inva­ded by a thug. When you want to talk about what has been given to Ukrai­ne, less than 3.5% of our defen­se bud­get has been given to Ukrai­ne. If you look at the per­cen­ta­ges per GDP, 11 of the Euro­pean coun­tries have given more than the US. But what’s real­ly important is go back to when Chi­na and Rus­sia held hands, shook hands befo­re the Olym­pics and named them­sel­ves unli­mi­ted partners.

A win for Rus­sia is a win for Chi­na. We have to know that. Ukrai­ne is the first line of defen­se for us. The pro­blem that Vivek doesn’t under­stand is he wants to hand Ukrai­ne to Rus­sia, he wants to let Chi­na eat Tai­wan, he wants to go and stop fun­ding Isra­el. You don’t do that to friends. What you do ins­tead is you have the backs of your friends. Ukrai­ne, it’s a front line of defen­se. Putin has said once Rus­sia takes Ukrai­ne, Poland and the Bal­tics are next. That’s a world war. We’re try­ing to pre­vent war. Look at what Putin did today. He kil­led Pri­go­zhin. When I was at the UN, the Rus­si­an ambassa­dor sud­den­ly died. This guy is a mur­de­rer and you are choo­sing a mur­de­rer over a pro-American country.

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Wir füh­ren die­sen Krieg wegen moral cla­ri­ty. Es ist eben wich­tig als US Prä­si­dent zwi­schen Gut und Böse unter­schei­den zu kön­nen. Wie man zischen Gut und Böse ent­schei­det ist klar, das gute pro-amerikanische Land wur­de von einem Ver­bre­cher über­fal­len. Dass erst 3.5% des US Defen­se Bud­gets in die Ukrai­ne inves­tiert wur­den ist eine Schan­de. In per­cen­ta­ge of GDP geben 11 euro­päi­sche Län­der mehr als die US.

Was aber neben zwi­schen Gut und Böse unter­schei­den noch viel wich­ti­ger ist ist, dass wenn Russ­land gewinnt, Chi­na gewinnt. Und wir das wis­sen. DIe Ukrai­ne ist ja die ers­te “Line of Defen­se” gegen Chi­na. Denn das was mein Gegen­kan­di­dat nicht ver­steht ist, dass wenn wir die Ukrai­ne Russ­land “geben”, Chi­na gleich auch Tai­wan frisst. Denn mein Gegen­kan­di­dat will ja auch Isra­el die Finan­zie­rung ent­zie­hen. Was man mit Freun­den nicht macht. Die Ukrai­ne ist eine Front­li­nie der Ver­tei­di­gung. Putin hat gesagt, dass wenn er die Ukrai­ne nimmt, Polen und das Bal­ti­kum die nächs­ten sind. [Rich­tig­stel­lung: Hat er nicht.] So kommt es zum Welt­krieg. Wir ver­hin­dern in der Ukrai­ne den Welt­krieg. Schaut was Putin heu­te gemacht hat, er hat Pri­go­schin getötet.

Als ich bei der UN war, ist der rus­si­sche Bot­schaf­ter plötz­lich ver­stor­ben. Die­ser Mann ist ein Kil­ler und mein Gegen­kan­di­dat wählt lie­ber einen Mör­der als ein pro-amerikanisches Land.

Gut - jetzt ist das viel­leicht nichts was in den US Ein­druck schin­det, und die Dame ist viel­leicht ein­fach nur hoff­nungs­los ihrem Intel­lekt ent­eilt - also schau­en wir uns die aktu­el­len Umfra­ge­da­ten in den US an…

Nik­ki Haley is only GOP pre­si­den­ti­al can­di­da­te to decisi­ve­ly beat Joe Biden in new poll

Dasallerletzte

Wer­te­wes­ten mei­ne Damen und Herren.

Die­se Gesell­schaft ist das abso­lut abgrund­tief gro­tesk Allerletzte.

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