Wenn der Presseclub Concordia den Wehrschütz reden hört

31. Mai 2022

trifft eam da Schlog. Dem Club, net dem Wehrschütz.

Und die Redak­teu­re vom Pro­fil sol­len sich schleichen.

Wenn die noch ein­mal *hmhmmm* zum Punkt “Selen­kyj hat sei­ne Bevöl­ke­rung bis­her noch in kei­nem Punkt auf mög­li­che Kon­zes­sio­nen vor­be­rei­tet”, sagen höre, grab ich screen­cap­tures, von einem Monat nach Beginn des Krie­ges aus, in denen das Pro­fil 10 fluff Arti­kel auf ein­mal auf der Haupt­sei­te hat­te (lau­ter Hel­den, über­all, so rich­tig aspi­ra­tio­nal). Selbst scrol­len half nichts.

W*chser.

edit: Ah, die Ver­leum­ndung geht los: click

Die­ser Rech­te, war dann auch der Ein­zi­ge in der Club 3 Run­de der sich ein­deu­tig zum Azov Regi­ment geäu­ßert hat.

I think we need a little strategic ambiguity on that one

30. Mai 2022

- at the moment.

At 7:10 min.

edit: Ah. Lie at 10 minu­tes in. No you cant “join the alli­an­ci­es you want to join” (NATO). You get invi­ted to talks, if you decla­re inte­rest. May­be. And then all mem­bers have to come to a unani­mous decisi­on on your can­di­da­te status.

NATO’s “open door poli­cy” is based on Arti­cle 10 of its foun­ding trea­ty. Any decisi­on to invi­te a coun­try to join the Alli­an­ce is taken by the North Atlan­tic Coun­cil on the basis of con­sen­sus among all Allies. No third coun­try has a say in such deliberations.

src: click

Why thats cal­led “open door poli­cy” is bey­ond me, when even the open door part (to the foy­er mind you) is con­di­tio­nal, but oh well, words. As part of public policies.

But its good to see the pro­cess of kee­ping the public nar­ra­ti­ve at least some­what congruent.

Erstmalige Aussage

28. Mai 2022

Selen­skyj: Kön­nen nicht gesam­tes Staats­ge­biet zurückholen

Die Ukrai­ne wird Prä­si­dent Wolo­dym­yr Selen­skyj zufol­ge das von Russ­land in den ver­gan­ge­nen Jah­ren ein­ge­nom­me­ne Staats­ge­biet nicht kom­plett mit Gewalt zurück­ho­len kön­nen. “Ich glau­be nicht, dass wir unser gesam­tes Ter­ri­to­ri­um mit mili­tä­ri­schen Mit­teln zurück­ge­win­nen kön­nen”, sag­te er in einem Inter­view, das sein Büro am Sams­tag in vol­ler Län­ge ins Inter­net stell­te. Bei einem sol­chen Vor­ge­hen wür­den Hun­dert­tau­sen­de Men­schen getötet.

Das Inter­view wur­de am Frei­tag im nie­der­län­di­schen Fern­se­hen gesendet.

src: click

Nach über drei Mona­ten Krieg. Nach hun­der­ten News­mel­dun­gen, dass Selen­skyj für Frie­dens­ver­hand­lun­gen wäre, mit einer Medi­en­land­schaft, die erst in der letz­ten Woche erkannt haben will, dass Selen­skyj nie die ter­ri­to­ria­le Inte­gri­tät als Vor­be­din­gung für Frie­dens­ver­hand­lun­gen auf­ge­ben woll­te - die jede Aus­sa­ge bezüg­lich “Selen­skyj pocht auf Frie­dens­ver­hand­lun­gen”, seit dem ers­ten Monat, nur um den Teil gekürzt wie­der­ge­ge­ben hat. Wäh­rend es in den Quellen-Interviews, die refe­ren­ziert wur­de, immer vor­ge­kom­men ist.

Jetzt kommt die Bericht­erstat­tung, dass Selen­skyj erst­ma­lig sei­nen Kurs geän­dert hat.

Nach Mona­ten der Heldenstilisierung.

Nach dem Abdru­cken von Kom­men­tar­bei­trä­gen aus dem Mer­ca­tor Umfeld die Precht (Prag­ma­tisus) und Franz­o­bel (Pazi­fis­mus) als nicht gang­ba­re Mei­nun­gen im Ukrai­ne Kon­flikt öffent­lich abqua­li­fi­ziert haben.

Nach einem Monat schwe­rer Waffen-Forderungen, die dem spe­zi­fi­schen Wor­d­ing nach, nach einem Auf­ruf des Atlan­tic Coun­cils mit zwei Tagen Ver­spä­tung von ukrai­ni­schen Regie­rungs­spre­chern über­nom­men wur­den. Vor Butscha.

Nach einem Davos Gip­fel auf dem die Schwel­len­län­der Euro­pa als “emo­tio­nal agie­rend” umschrie­ben haben. Mehrheitlich.

Nach einer kom­plet­ten öffent­li­chen Abwer­tung der Posi­ti­on Deutsch­lands und Frank­reichs in Davos (“man sol­le nicht popu­la­ri­sie­ren, dass die Ukrai­ne den Krieg gewin­nen kön­ne” (im Sin­ne von “auch der letz­te rus­si­sche Sol­dat muss das ukrai­ni­sche Ter­ri­to­ri­um ver­las­sen, bevor wir verhandeln”)).

Kommt Selen­skyj - UND MIT IHM die gesam­te west­li­che Medi­en­land­schaft drauf, dass das hun­dert­tau­sen­de Men­schen­le­ben kos­ten würde.

Hat ihm das vor­her nie­mand gesagt, oder…

Die­se Gesell­schaft ist das abgrund­tief Letzte.

Zuerst haun wir euch mit der tiefs­ten Pro­pa­gan­da (für Frie­dens­ver­hand­lun­gen aber nur, wenn die Ukrai­ne die Krim zurück erhält, mit Papst im Land, und Pan­zer for­dernd, in einer Woche), und de fac­to Het­ze gegen Alter­na­tiv­po­si­tio­nen zu. Aber spä­ter über­neh­men wir die Mei­nung die wir nie auch nur zulas­sen woll­ten, dann doch, weil jetzt hat sie ja der Held formuliert…

Holy, f*cking shit.

Und wenns ernst gemeint ist - fällt mir trotz­dem ein Stein vom Herzen.

edit: Ach­so… Es ist wohl doch nur das geän­der­te öffent­li­che Nar­ra­tiv, da die US heu­te MLRS ship­ments frei­ge­ge­ben haben. Und es bald ein wenig komisch anmu­ten wür­de, wenn man mit Mul­ti­ple Launch Rocket Sys­tems Städ­te (dh. rus­si­sche Posi­tio­nen in Städ­ten) angreift, und gleich­zei­tig das “wir kön­nen erst auf­hö­ren, wenn die staat­li­che Inte­gri­tät der Ukrai­ne wie­der her­ge­stellt ist” messaging ver­brei­tet. Na dann…

edit2: Wow! Stan­dard dies­mal nur drei Tage zu spät irgend­wo im Ticker…

USA lie­fern moder­ne Rake­ten­sys­te­me an die Ukraine
Die US-Regierung lie­fert der Ukrai­ne im Rah­men eines neu­en Sicher­heits­pa­kets moder­ne Mehr­fach­ra­ke­ten­wer­fer zur Ver­tei­di­gung gegen den rus­si­schen Einmarsch. 

src: click
Wow, so glad to see you! Welcome!

Mehr­fach­ra­ke­ten­wer­fer mit grö­ße­rer Reich­wei­te als die Artil­le­rie der Rus­sen, natür­lich nur zur Ver­tei­di­gung. Ob die nach Nato Desi­gna­ti­on als Defen­siv­waf­fen geführt werden?

Was sagt da eigent­lich der Edi­tor des ‘Brea­king Defen­se maga­zi­ne’ laut der BBC dazu?

But can a mis­si­le real­ly be “defen­si­ve”?

Any wea­pon is defen­si­ve if you’­re using it to defend yourself or your coun­try,” says Colin Clark, edi­tor of Brea­king Defen­se maga­zi­ne. “And sin­ce Putin is the aggres­sor here, if we sup­ply wea­pons to tho­se figh­t­ing against him they are, by defi­ni­ti­on, defensive.”

But equal­ly, if Pre­si­dent Putin sup­plies the rebels with arms “he might sim­ply say he is ‘defen­ding’ the rights of Rus­si­ans,” Clark adds.

Loo­king at it this way, it would seem almost any wea­pon could qua­li­fy as “defen­si­ve” - ren­de­ring the term meaningless.

In prac­ti­ce, howe­ver, “the­re are dis­tinc­tions” says Clark. In Ukrai­ne, for instance, the US is unli­kely to sup­ply any arms which might “turn the tide of war” and allow Ukrai­ni­an tro­ops to advan­ce or inva­de oppo­si­ti­on territory.

src: click

Dass die sich trau­en das zu fragen…

Wait - “The­re ARE dis­tinc­tions”? Ups, das war ja noch 2015 unter Oba­ma, nicht 2021 unter Biden, als die US im Dezem­ber retro­ak­tiv Jave­lins für den Ein­satz im Don­bas frei­ge­ge­ben haben, die dort schon seit zwei Mona­ten ein­ge­setzt wur­den (was laut Ex-Stratfor Ana­lys­ten den größ­ten rus­si­schen Trup­pen­auf­marsch aller Zei­ten als Gegen­re­ak­ti­on zur Fol­ge hat­te…). Nicht wie im Mai 2022, als die US MLRS-Lieferungen frei­ge­ge­ben haben… Weil das wür­den die ja nie tun.

Oh.. der BBC Arti­kel selbst war die Reak­ti­on auf einen Report von drei US Think Tanks, die mehr Anti Tank mis­si­les für die Ukrai­ne gefor­dert haben? Also Javelins?

A report by three US think-tanks this week calls for more non-lethal aid - such as dro­nes, secu­re com­mu­ni­ca­ti­ons equip­ment and armou­red Hum­ve­es - but also “defen­si­ve” let­hal assi­s­tance, spe­ci­fi­cal­ly anti-tank missiles.

Ah, also gehts jetzt doch nicht um die­se Desi­gna­ti­on hier? -

US is unli­kely to sup­ply any arms which might “turn the tide of war” and allow Ukrai­ni­an tro­ops to advan­ce or inva­de oppo­si­ti­on territory

Na nur gut, dass Mobi­le Mul­ti­ple Rake­ten­wer­fer mit grö­ße­rer Reich­wei­te als rus­si­sche Artil­le­rie nicht dazu ein­ge­setzt wer­den kön­nen “gro­ße Explo­sio­nen zu ver­ur­sa­chen und vie­le Men­schen zu töten”. -

Figh­ter jets, hea­vy artil­le­ry and ground tro­ops would all fall into this cate­go­ry [offen­si­ve wea­pons]. But anti-tank mis­si­les - such as the Jave­lin mis­si­le reques­ted by Ukrai­ni­an mili­ta­ry - “would not be much use if you wan­ted to attack someo­ne” says Clark. “They can blow holes in armour but they’­re not going to cau­se huge explo­si­ons and kill lots of people.”

Sonst müss­te man dem Stan­dard glatt vor­wer­fen hier die Bevöl­ke­rung zu verarschen.

moder­ne Mehr­fach­ra­ke­ten­wer­fer zur Ver­tei­di­gung gegen den rus­si­schen Einmarsch

Offen­siv­waf­fen (Desi­gna­ti­on) zur aus­schließ­lich defen­si­ven Nut­zung, im eige­nen (ukrai­ni­schen) Staats­ge­biet, wo nach Defi­ni­ti­on Medi­en jede Nut­zung defen­siv ist. Gelie­fert von einer Schutz­macht, die sich nie ein­mi­schen wür­de um den Aus­gang des Krie­ges signi­fi­kant zu verändern.

Denn wür­den sies tun, wäre der Ukrai­ne Krieg per Defi­ni­ti­on ein pro­xy war.

Pro­xy wars are con­flicts in which a third par­ty inter­venes indi­rect­ly in a pre-existing war in order to influ­ence the stra­te­gic out­co­me in favour of its pre­fer­red fac­tion. - Oxford Dic­tion­a­ry of Poli­tics and Inter­na­tio­nal Rela­ti­ons (4 ed.)

src: click

Excuses are getting dumber by the day

25. Mai 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKp92a07nQ0
[edit: Davos Press Con­fe­ren­ces are now hid­den from public view.]

Kule­ba at Davos.

Kule­ba: The­re are now no pre­con­di­ti­ons for ent­e­ring peace nego­tia­ti­ons, apart from Ukrai­ne “fee­ling” that “they are held in good faith”. And “rus­sia will only come for­ward to hold peace nego­tia­ti­ons [no in good faith used in that phra­sing] - if they are star­ting to lose, and are covering their los­ses, that I can pro­mi­se you.”

Selen­sky­js requi­re­ments for peace nego­tia­ti­ons on May 7th (Chat­ham House speech):

Ukrai­ne will only reen­ter peace talks with Rus­sia if the Krem­lin gua­ran­tees the res­to­ra­ti­on of pre­inva­si­on bor­ders and returns thousands of Ukrai­ni­ans who were force­ful­ly evacua­ted to Rus­sia, Ukrai­ni­an Pre­si­dent Volo­dym­yr Zelen­sky said Friday.

src: click

Selen­sky­js requi­re­ments for peace nego­tia­ti­ons on May 24th (the same World eco­no­mic forum Kule­ba is spea­king at today):

Ukrai­ni­an Pre­si­dent Volo­dym­yr Selen­sky insists on direct talks with Rus­si­an lea­der Vla­di­mir Putin. In an address to the World Eco­no­mic Forum in Davos, he again rejec­ted con­sul­ta­ti­ons through media­tors. If Putin unders­tood rea­li­ty, the­re would be a chan­ce to find a diplo­ma­tic way out of the con­flict. The lea­ders­hip in Moscow should with­draw its tro­ops to the lines befo­re it began its inva­si­on of Ukrai­ne on 24 Febru­a­ry, Selen­skyj deman­ds. “This could be a first step towards talks.” Ukrai­ne will fight until it has regai­ned all its ter­ri­to­ry, he said.

src: click (APA/AFP)

I’m sure no media out­let will report any con­tra­dic­tion here.

Second point: In the press con­fe­rence with Kule­ba, he put a new spin on the “we need time to inte­gra­te the brain­wa­s­hed peop­le in the tem­pora­ry occu­p­ied ter­ri­to­ries” messaging Selen­skyj has put for­ward in the Zaka­ria inte­view befo­re, and spun it into “it will take time to find peop­le who would be wil­ling to live in regi­ons next to rus­sia again, which is why it is hard to gage how long a pro­cess of rebuil­ding Ukrai­ne will take”.

Two aspects. First the are­as cur­r­ent­ly occu­p­ied by rus­sia are now exten­ding into Ukrai­ne past more than half of said bor­der ter­ri­to­ry. Second “we need to find peop­le who want to live the­re”, sounds much nicer, right?

Third point. Kule­ba is now open­ly for other nati­ons enga­ging in hel­pful diplo­ma­tic talks that could bring about the end of the war. It is just that “they cant impo­se “new lines of con­ta­ct””, or “touch the ter­ri­to­ri­al inte­gri­ty of Ukrai­ne, as a who­le - at all”.

Apart from this being a per­fect quag­mi­re on its own, three days ago Poli­ti­co publis­hed the following:

Poland’s pre­si­dent told Ukrai­ni­an law­ma­kers that “only Ukrai­ne has the right to deci­de about its future,” in a speech that was the first in-person address by a for­eign head of sta­te at Ukraine’s par­lia­ment sin­ce the Rus­si­an invasion.

Not­hing about you without you,” Andrzej Duda told the assem­bly in Kyiv on Sunday, while slamming the “worry­ing voices” that have been cal­ling on Ukrai­ne to make con­ces­si­ons to end the war.

Duda recei­ved a stan­ding ova­ti­on and pho­tos pos­ted on Twit­ter show­ed him embra­cing Ukrai­ni­an Pre­si­dent Volo­dym­yr Zelen­skyy. Poland has wel­co­med around 3.5 mil­li­on Ukrai­ni­an refu­gees and sup­ports Ukraine’s bid to join the EU.

Duda’s comments came as Ukrai­ne said it would refu­se a cease-fire and will not give up ter­ri­to­ry to Rus­sia. In an inter­view with Reu­ters, Ukrai­ni­an nego­tia­tor Mykhailo Pod­olyak said con­ces­si­ons would back­fire and only encou­ra­ge Rus­sia to hit harder.

The war will not stop [after any con­ces­si­ons]. It will just be put on pau­se for some time,” said the pre­si­den­ti­al adviser.

After a while, with rene­wed inten­si­ty, the Rus­si­ans will build up their wea­pons, man­power and work on their mista­kes. … And they’ll start a new offen­si­ve, even more bloo­dy and large-scale,” he said.

src: click

With this (pres­su­re to not influ­ence ukrai­ni­an decisi­on making) being the cau­se both for the ger­man governments posi­ti­on of “the Ukrai­ne has to deci­de on its own, when it wants to con­tem­pla­te ending the war”, as well as the same posi­ti­on fea­tured in the UvdL speech in Davos yesterday.

Tho­se are respon­ses to that voi­ced need to not be influ­en­ced by out­side pres­su­res which now doesnt exist any­mo­re accord­ing to Kule­ba, as long as tho­se out­side pres­su­res dont try to nego­tia­te a new con­ta­ct line, or touch the ter­ri­to­ri­al inte­gri­ty of the Ukraine.

Also the argu­ment of the Ukrai­ni­an nego­tia­tor you might noti­ce, calls for a seve­re dete­rio­ra­ti­on of rus­si­an mili­ta­ry capa­bi­li­ty (usual­ly the phra­se “so they cant con­tem­pla­te a simi­lar attack for at least 30 years” is used). Which coin­ci­dent­al­ly is the US posi­ti­on Nina Khrush­che­va sta­ted that she hears from US gene­rals in pri­va­te con­ver­sa­ti­ons, but not when they are spea­king to media.

Now wait to read none of this in tomor­rows news­pa­per. Becau­se they are our heroes.

Spea­king of the usu­al heroes, just for refe­rence, here is Kis­sin­gers Posi­ti­on from two days ago: click
And here is the ukrai­ni­an response.

But dont worry, that was just ano­t­her old guy respon­ding who was brought up on the noti­on, that Nato expan­si­on was a threat.

edit: Short asi­de on ita­lys peace talks initia­ti­ve being rejec­ted by russia.

Ita­lys peace initia­ti­ve in broad out­lines: click
Rus­sia pulls diplo­ma­tic corps from ita­ly: click
Reu­ters reports the rus­si­an for­eign minis­try spo­kes­wo­man sta­ting that the ita­li­an peace plan for Ukrai­ne was a “fan­ta­sy”.

If they hope that the Rus­si­an Fede­ra­ti­on will sei­ze on any Wes­tern plan, then they haven’t unders­tood much.”

So the rus­si­ans aren’t exact­ly inte­res­ted in peace nego­tia­ti­ons either.

Kule­bas posi­ti­on on the ita­li­an peace plan in Davos can be found in the video at 28min in. And it actual­ly was what promp­ted Kule­ba to go into lay­ing out “his new rules for peace nego­tia­ti­ons, faci­li­ta­ted by other coun­tries”. Pre­fa­cing that with “Lui­gi Di Maio is a friend, so in princi­pal I will not have anything against [some­thing] pro­po­sed by a friend”.

In total­ly unre­la­ted news, ger­man pre­si­dent Frank-Walter Stein­mei­er was quo­ted say­ing the fol­lowing yesterday:

Ger­man Pre­si­dent to Putin: “With­draw your troops!”

Ger­man Pre­si­dent Frank-Walter Stein­mei­er has cal­led on Rus­si­an Pre­si­dent Vla­di­mir Putin to with­draw from Ukrai­ne immedia­te­ly at the Katho­li­ken­tag in Stutt­gart. “Respect Ukraine’s sov­er­eig­n­ty, stop the figh­t­ing,” Stein­mei­er appealed at the ope­ning cere­mo­ny of the church fes­ti­val on Wed­nes­day evening.

src: click

Short heads up from Davos

25. Mai 2022

We have to be a moral power. We have to stop com­pro­mi­sing. We have to under­stand this as a chan­ce. We have to let us be gui­ded by values. We have to be strong. We have to be force­ful and not let our­sel­ves be divi­ded. With an hono­r­able men­ti­on for the repre­sen­ta­ti­ve of the euro­pean com­mis­si­on making a pledge, that she doesnt want to hear the word appease­ment anymore.

ECB brings in the immense power of pen­sionfunds that still could be lever­aged to a much grea­ter extent. And sees the usu­al dan­gers of eco­no­mies that are too expo­sed to inter­na­tio­nal trade.

So lets go through this. Moral power means, lets go back to a world whe­re we have eco­no­mic blocks. And not ask the Khash­og­gi ques­ti­on, becau­se at least tho­se issu­es dont touch our moral sphe­re, by vir­tue of being far enough away from our bor­ders. It also means to look more clo­se­ly into the cur­rent Xin­jiang leaks, becau­se our new public MO is that of being moral, strong and united. We have to stop com­pro­mi­sing means, remo­val of vetos or the unani­mi­ty princi­pal, in mat­ters of EU for­eign and secu­ri­ty poli­cy. We have to let us be gui­ded by values means -- some­thing, some­thing legal tra­di­ti­on. We have to be strong means, to use this moment to estab­lish the noti­on of beco­m­ing an inter­na­tio­nal mili­ta­ry power as well (hel­ping the Nato 80% but also being able to con­duct our own inter­ven­ti­ons, and secu­ring our own bor­ders), becau­se of the poten­ti­al uphea­vals we cant dodge any­mo­re as a result of the cur­rent war, thats pret­ty much a given, we have to be force­ful and not let our­sel­ves be divi­ded is the new man­tra for my genera­ti­on. Becau­se you have to see this as a chan­ce, right? No appease­ment is the new posi­ti­on of the euro­pean com­mis­si­on, becau­se if you’d go the appease­ment rou­te, all the other nice catch­phra­ses wouldnt work. And game theo­ry is for pussies.

(Which btw. is also what the prime minis­ter of slo­va­kia seems to have lear­ned almost exclu­si­ve­ly from the cur­rent cri­sis - he is very into this idea. To the point, whe­re he pushes it to beco­me the second to last point of rhe­to­ri­cal­ly con­struc­ted applau­se lines.)

The ECB is now at the point, were it wants to leverage pen­si­on funds more force­ful­ly and also is into redu­cing expo­sure to inter­na­tio­nal tra­de, becau­se of incre­a­sed risk of insta­bi­li­ty (cli­ma­te chan­ge, food secu­ri­ty), becau­se of the US not caring about secu­ring tra­de rou­tes for free any­mo­re, and becau­se of ever­yo­nes favo­ri­te term, resi­li­en­ce. So essen­ti­al­ly the aspects that cli­ma­te acti­vism was allo­wed to pro­mo­te in Davos in the past years.

The­re is also ano­t­her trend you can gage from the peop­le that have been put on the panel, and that is - make nort­hern euro­pean coun­tries, and the coun­tries in the east expo­sed to rus­sia, mat­ter more wit­hin the euro­pean uni­on to keep ger­man and french inte­rests in check. “Do you belie­ve that ger­ma­ny will take the role, to bind all tho­se inte­rests tog­e­ther to make a cohe­si­ve euro­pean uni­on” - was one of the rhe­to­ri­cal ques­ti­ons asked, to which the ans­wer of cour­se was “we have to - at least when it comes to the defen­se union”.

(Hig­her depen­den­cy in terms of ener­gy pro­du­ced by nort­hern euro­pean sta­tes, hig­her depen­den­cy in terms of the secu­ri­ty infra­st­ruc­tu­re pro­vi­ded by nort­hern sta­tes, more per­ma­nent NATO tro­ops (plan­ned) in the eas­tern euro­pean sta­tes, rai­sing their pro­fi­le wit­hin the NATO alli­an­ce, as well as the EU…)

And then end on an inspi­ra­tio­nal “we know this is not easy, we know we cant take demo­cra­cy for gran­ted, so lets do this”!

Phoe­nix also has com­men­ta­ry, if you want to con­su­me this with more sug­ar­coa­ting and ambi­gui­ty. (ger­man)

Schlüs­sel­fra­ge “was von dem was Euro­pa will - hat Scholz begriffen”?

Aaaa­ama­zing.

edit: Kris­ta­li­na Geor­gi­e­wa (IMF direc­tor) doesnt par­ti­cu­lar­ly like the “new iron curtain trend” - too bad ever­yo­ne else does.

Cli­ma­te risks, food secu­ri­ty issu­es, and the US not caring about secu­ring tra­de rou­tes all over the world, par­ti­cu­lar­ly, is a hell of a combination.

edit2: Hear­say com­ment that fran­ce and ger­ma­ny are pri­va­te­ly pro­mo­ting “we should not be say­ing that the Ukrai­ni­ans can win this” stance in Davos (at 8:48 in).