Er habe „Stunden“ in Gesprächen mit dem russischen Staatschef verbracht. „Jede Diskussion ist von Zynismus geprägt, es ist nie ein Vergnügen“, sagte Macron, der den „Dialog“ als seine „Pflicht“ bezeichnete.
Er fügte hinzu, dass er nicht vor „Mitte Mai“ einen „Ausweg“ aus dem Krieg in Europa sehe. Die Gespräche mit Putin seien aber nicht vergebens, sondern „nützlich, um den Frieden von morgen vorzubereiten“.
Die EU macht derweil schon mal Nägel mit Köpfen und bereitet neben dem fünften Sanktionspaket, das einen Importstop für Kohle vorsieht, bereits das sechste Sanktionspaket vor, das sich gegen russische Ölimporte richtet. Von der Leyen spricht bereits davon, dass ein Ölembargo unumgänglich sei.
You’ve heard of Bucha? You’ve heard or seeen nothing yet!
Situation in Borodianka is “much scarier” than Bucha, Zelensky says
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said work is underway to clear rubble in the town of Borodianka and the situation there is “much scarier” than that in Bucha.
Speaking at his nightly address on Thursday night, Zelensky said, “So far, the Russian state and the Russian military are the greatest threat on the planet to freedom, to human security, to the concept of human rights as such. After Bucha, this is already obvious,” he said, adding that work to clear rubble in Borodianka has begun.
“It’s much scarier there. More victims of Russian invaders,” Zelensky said.
The Ukrainian president said similar atrocities were seen in Mariupol as well.
“What will happen when the world learns the whole truth about what the Russian military did in Mariupol? There, on almost every street, is what the world saw in Bucha and other towns in the Kyiv region after the withdrawal of Russian troops. The same cruelty. The same terrible crimes,” he said.
Zelensky suggested that the atrocities committed by Russian forces would be used as propaganda. CNN cannot independently verify these claims.
“More and more information is coming in that Russian propagandists are preparing, so to speak, a ‘mirror response’ to the shock of all normal people from what they saw in Bucha. They are going to show the victims in Mariupol as if they were not killed by the Russian military, but by Ukrainian defenders of the city,” Zelensky said, “to do this, the occupiers collect corpses on the streets, take them out. And can be used elsewhere in accordance with the developed propaganda scenarios.”
Zelensky said every murder in Ukraine will be investigated and every looter, rapist and murderer will be found and that after what the world saw happening in Bucha, it is clear Russia “does not obey” human rights.”
He called the UN General Assembly’s decision to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council “fair and logical” and thanked the country that supported the UNGA decision.
“Perhaps Russia will change its attitude to human rights, but at this point in time it’s not happening,” Zelensky said.
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Interesting paragraph:
More and more information is coming in that Russian propagandists are preparing, so to speak, a “mirror response” to the shock of all normal people from what they saw in Bucha. They are going to show the victims in Mariupol as if they were killed not by the Russian military, but by the Ukrainian defenders of the city. To do this, the occupiers collect corpses on the streets, take them out and can use them elsewhere in accordance with the elaborated propaganda scenarios.
We are dealing with invaders who have nothing human left. To justify their own killings, they take the murdered people simply as scenery, as propaganda props. And this is a separate war crime, for which each of the propagandists will be held accountable.
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Ukrainian official: 26 bodies found under rubble of two houses in Borodianka
From CNN’s Hira Humayun
In the town of Borodianka, 26 bodies were found under the rubble of two houses according to Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova in a televised address on Thursday.
She said the town was hit by Russian airstrikes leading to a number of civilian casualties.
“Two big houses have been dismantled. Found 26 bodies. And these are only two houses. Atrocities are in fact a legal term that combines three crimes: war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. I think we need to get used to this term. This is a legal term in international criminal law. So Borodianka is an illustrative example,” she said.
Also, it was suggested (cant remember by whom anymore, but I’ve read it before), that the following was a diversion attempt of the russian side - to move the news narrative off of the atrocities.
Russian official accuses Ukraine of changing demands since the 2 sides met in Istanbul
From CNN’s Uliana Pavlova and Martin Goillandeau
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov speaks during a news conference in Moscow on Thursday.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov speaks during a news conference in Moscow on Thursday. (Alexander Zemlianichenko/Pool/AP)
On Thursday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov accused Ukrainian negotiators of changing the most important provisions that both sides had agreed upon during Russia-Ukraine talks in Istanbul last month.
Lavrov said that a draft agreement presented on Wednesday by Ukrainian negotiators “showed a departure from the most important provisions fixed at the meeting in Istanbul,” adding that the new Ukrainian draft agreement did not include an earlier proposal by Kyiv to exclude Crimea and Sebastopol from the future security guarantees Ukraine is demanding.
Lavrov also said Ukrainians suggested that “the problems of Crimea and Donbas should be brought to the meeting of the presidents of Russia and Ukraine,” a proposal deemed “unacceptable” by Russia, as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has repeatedly stated that such a meeting is possible only after the cessation of hostilities.
“At the next stage, the Ukrainian side will certainly ask for the withdrawal of troops and will put forward new preconditions,” Lavrov said.
According to the Russian Foreign Minister, the Ukrainian side has also changed its stance on a provision that Moscow could oppose any future military maneuvers involving foreign forces in Ukrainian territory.
Lavrov said that the inability to find a negotiated agreement with Ukraine “demonstrates the true intentions of Kyiv, its line to drag on and even make the negotiations fail, rejecting the agreements that had been found.”
“We see this as a manifestation of the fact that the Kyiv regime is controlled by Washington and its allies, who are pushing President Zelensky to continue hostilities,” he added.
Lavrov said the Russian delegation would “continue the negotiation process,” promoting its draft agreement, which according to Lavrov “clearly and in full, sets out all the key positions and demands.”
Lavrov did not reveal the details of that draft agreement.
src: click
Regardless, in itself thats worth to be acknowledged.
First they are showing the videostatement of the mayor of Bucha from the 31st of March.
Second ‘image proof’ (first image actually, first image proof was a video) produced in the presentation can not be found via tineye or a google reverse image search.
According to the russian representative to the United nations, Vassily Nebenzia, he then is presenting a (short) video captured by the ukrainian national guard, of Bucha, posted on April 2nd, that depicts ukrainian forces entering Bucha, not showing any dead bodies in the streets. The video then also would contain the ukrainian military interviewing several people in the town, not one of which would be mentioning a massacre, or mass killings.
[Attention, I can’t verify the date of capture, or that Bucha is the town depicted in the video. Nor can I rule out, that footage was cherrypicked.]
Opinion: The evidence is not very conclusive. Nor is it empirical.
Nebenzia is also stating that more ‘information’ would be coming/being released in the Security council meeting on April 5th. I’ve still not screened the full length version of that.
edit: Watched the one minute video package that was part of the Zelenskyys Security council speech. And it was effective. Warning: Images are very graphic. Which is also, why I will not provide a timecode this time.
Groups of people which are depicted in Bucha:
- 20 (or so) people dead in the streets.
- Partly buried family of four. (Might have been referenced by the eye witness in the polish TV interview (unsure). Going by descriptions, this was one of the locations the ZDF reporter visited.)
- Back alley with 8 people killed (This was referenced in the polish TV interview.)
- Group of at least four victims at an unknown location in a later state of decomposition.
- Group of at least four people in what seems like a cellar with their hands seemingly ziptied behind their backs, dead.
- Three people lying in a yard, dead.
- Burned remains of a corpse (might refer to the example of a raped women who was then burned in an attempted cover up, that was referred to in two speeches)
- Two other corpses, one burned at unknown locations
- Another group of at least two, probably more burned corpses
- A mass grave with about a dozen bodybags showing
I now understand the remarks of the ZDF reporter, that you dont just stage that. That you can’t. Viscerally - I get it.
Also, compared to that, what RT is currently doing (from me watching about 5 seconds of one of their news segments on Butcha - on youtube, when I was screening Vot-Tak.tv videos to see, if I could find the first eye witness account on video (I cant - but the original writedown of the interview is linked in here as well as in the previous posting on the topic)), namely to have an ‘expert’ give out a statement that two of the corpses on the street lying next to each other would have to have been killed on different days, because of different decomposition states, is in its own separate category of nothingness. It just doesnt even compare.
For what its worth, I end with António Guterres:
“We are not saying that this specific incident is a war crime, we can’t establish that yet, that is why there needs to be detailed forensic examination…Justice and accountability take time; what is important is that this work is undertaken and continues to ensure accountability going forward.”
edit: I reached the part of the video, where Nebenzia gives his counterpoints. They were:
- The corpses werent there right after the withdrawal of the russian military, which would be confirmed by “several videos” [This should refer to the two videos shown a day earlier in the video up top - statement is doubtful at the least]
- The corpses on the streets couldnt have been there for three or four days, judging from their decomposition state, much less since the 20th of march, like the NYT reported [in some cases].
edit2: Nationale Untersuchungskommissionen wurden von Frankreich, Tschechien, Deutschland, Estland, Litauen, der Slowakei, Schweden und Spanien aufgestellt. src: click
Am 24. März schreibt der Standard noch in alter Gewohnheit Project Syndicate Artikel ab (click) - und dann gleich noch vom ECFR Direktor, in dem der eine neue Philosophie und das Agieren politischer und gesellschaftlicher Akteure fordert um die Bevölkerung aber so richtig in den Zeitenwandel zu überführen (da stand vorher ein anderes Wort) -- mit Unterpunkt:
Außerdem steht eine neue Debatte über Militärbasen und Atomwaffen an, die Europas Aufmerksamkeit (und vermutlich Ressourcen) von ihrem globalen multilateralen Engagement abziehen wird.
Geframt als “Und er stellt vier Fragen, die die Politik lösen muss.”
Und das hast du nicht gesehen, weniger als zwei Wochen später zeigt schon das US Militär Interesse - na sag amol - des war wohl schon wieder diese freie Demokratische Grundordnung, von der ich neuerdings so viel höre.
US-Militär für dauerhafte Stützpunkte an NATO-Ostflanke
Infolge des russischen Angriffskriegs in der Ukraine hat sich die Führung des US-Militärs für die Einrichtung permanenter US-Stützpunkte in den osteuropäischen Nato-Staaten ausgesprochen. Er würde dazu raten, dauerhafte Stützpunkte einzurichten, die dann von zeitweise entsandten US-Soldaten genutzt werden könnten, sagte Generalstabschef Mark Milley im US-Kongress.
Damit habe man die Vorteile einer permanenten Militärpräsenz ohne gewisse Nachteile wie zum Beispiel die Notwendigkeit des Nachzugs von Familien, deren Unterbringung und den Bedarf für Schulen zu haben. Russland lehnt eine permanente Stationierung von Nato-Kampftruppen in den osteuropäischen Staaten unter Berufung auf ein Abkommen aus den 1990er-Jahren strikt ab.
Seit Anfang dieses Jahres haben US-Streitkräfte ihre Militärpräsenz in den östlichen Nato-Staaten wegen des Ukraine-Konflikts allerdings bereits deutlich ausgebaut - pro forma handelt es sich dabei aber vor allem um zeitlich begrenzte Einsätze, keine permanente Stationierung.
Aber immerhin, Biden macht wieder Weltpolitik. edit: Es sei denn es ist ein Druckmittel um offensive Waffenlieferungen im Nato Verbund durchzusetzen.
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