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Telling complete idiots how they were not manipulated by propaganda, but just “swept away by emotion”, and the age old “not quite reporting both sides of a news story” in the very job they are holding - not my strong point. You need better comedians for this.
Here is one:
Russia sent out “state comedians” Vovan and Lexus again to prank call european politicians. This time around they got to Giorgia Meloni -
Here is a full transcript of the audio track from rutube:
Fake african politician: Hi Prime minister nice to meet you, so thank you for your time
Giorgia Meloni: Ah, how are you?
Fake african politician: I’m good, I’m good now, I heard many bad news, so whats the situation?
Giorgia Meloni: Ah yeah, the situation is a bit difficult, anyways - the situation is very difficult for us to manage in this time, we have from the beginning of the year, so in seven months, nine months, more than 120.000 people who came mostly from Tunesia, so situation which is very difficult from every side. The humanitarian side, the logistic side, the security side, so I’m having… and what I see is that this flow seems to be increased from the situation thats going on in africa where over in the Sahel, but also with the problem of the grain, and all the problems that you know quite better than me. [Audible cut in the audio track.] We are working also with the european union for a memorandum with Tunesia to help, not only managing migration, I mean my idea is always that you have to do both the things, from one side..
Fake african politician: And I agree absolutely, I just met with Charles Michel, and we had a conversation about the situation, and he said that the, that the problem is, that italy can’t stop them, and he thinks it is a problem from mostly from Italian side, as he told me.
Giorgia Meloni: Yes, absolutely. Europe has thought for a lot of time, that it could solve the problem closing it in italy, what they dont understand is that it is impossible, the size of this phenomenon is something that involves - in my opinion not even only the EU but the UN, but the problem is, the others they dont care, they didnt always, also respond to the telephone, when they pass by, and they do all agree that only italy has to solve this problem alone - its a stupid way of thinking.
Fake african politician: I also talked to Macron, he also refused to understand my position, I also think that he does not even [incomprehensible].
Giorgia Meloni: Can I ask you something between me and you, which — do you think that what is happening in Niger for example its a thing against france?
Fake african politician: I see it, especially now, because of how they demanded[?].
Giorgia Meloni: Ah, we, we I see that france is a bit pushing for a kind of intervention.
Fake african politician: Yeah.
Giorgia Meloni: But I’m trying to understand how we can support a diplomatic effort for it, … We have to be careful.
Fake african politician: Yeah of course, .. Because france, they dont understand what are the other consequences, it will lead to another migration crisis from the military operation. Because now we see the crisis…
Giorgia Meloni: But you know they have got other priorities which are not migration in Nations like Niger you know, so their point of view is not neccesarily mine, I mean yeah they’ve got the Uranium, they got the FCA (https://excoafrique-fcaniger.com/en/) you they got some priorities which are national priorities for france, thats why we are trying also to tell them, we have to be, how do you say, we dont have to do things that can create more problems than those we already have.
Fake african politician: But another problem is, how to work in line with a new black sea initiative what do you think about blocking some russian things in this line..
Giorgia Meloni: I think we have to discuss it, I think we have to find a solution for it. The situation is impossible to face for us, so there must be solutions found for it, I’ve been also discussing it in the G20 meeting, yes in the meeting about africa, we’ve been discussing it, if we allow russia to block [not comprehensible] that could be always worst, but if we dont find other solutions behind the problem - that, it is impossible so - somehow, somehow we are to go out from that, somehow we are to… Poland would be the, the right way, but I see that they are having problems, so..
Fake african politician: I think that the problem is that we expected the war could be finished because of fine Ukrainian counter offensive, but now I see that it is not so, successful as we expected now, so It means that the war is not finished, and it is - what our, some now my friends on the, in the continent they are waiting for any peace negotiations, or any negotiations between ukraine and russia to stop that conflict.
Giorgia Meloni: Yeah, that and also migration, and also the problems we are having inflation, and prices of energy and it is very difficult to…
Fake african politician: Yeah and the winter is coming too, and we dont know were if it will be that…
Giorgia Meloni: Yes, one of my strategy plans as you know, on which I’m trying to discuss with other european countries about this plan on investments for energy in africa, I think that could be - well it is not immediate absolutely, when you begin doing investments, first day of November we will present here in rome, in this conference our marshal plan for africa, which is this kind of involvement investments, moreover in energy for africa, and african countries to produce energy they need and also to export if they can [possible cut noticable in the audio track], here we will also lead the presidency of the G7 and I would like to focus our precidency of G7 more over on the topic of africa. We are going to an era where we cant plan it no more, it is already too late, so we have to move - that is what I would say.
Fake african politician: Yeah, may I ask what do you think about pleads of some officials of the UK to send some migrants in ruanda. Yeah, what do you think?
Giorgia Meloni: I havent discussed, I dont know which are the elements of this deal, for the problems that we have is also that these people coming illegally - impossible to being screened. We dont know, they lost lots of time, from the time that we processed their requests and then many of them we’ll loose, some of them they finish in the hands of criminal organizations, some of them they go into other countries and they try to send them back, its…
Fake african politician: So is ..
Giorgia Meloni: What?
Fake african politician: Does the european commission understand this…, that it is…?
Giorgia Meloni: European commission says they understand it, haha, the problem is how much times it needs to give concrete answers for in the conclusions of the european council, in the words of Ursula von der Leyen, they absolutely understand it, but when you ask them to take money to invest, to help to discuss with these countries, well this becomes more difficult, I have to tell the truth, it is also about Tunesia organized this memorandum between europe and Tunesia, that president Saied spent time with us in the middle of July, but he didnt see one Euro yet.
Fake african politician: How do you estimate the conflict in Europe, between Ukraine and russia, how long will it take to understand what is the position. Are you having conversations with [incomprehensible] so..
Giorgia Meloni: Well I see, I see that there is a lot of fatigue, I have to say the truth, from all the sides, we are near the moment, in which everyone understands, that we need a way out. The problem is to find a way out which can be acceptable for both without destroying the international law, I’ve got some ideas about it on how to manage the situation, but I’m waiting on the right moment to try to put on the table these ideas that I’ve got.
Fake african politician: But you see that the Ukraine is not so successful as we expected, as we expected by this spring.
Giorgia Meloni: The counteroffensive of Ukraine is maybe not going as they were expecting. It is going, but it didnt change, i mean, the destiny of the conflict. So everybody understands, that it really could last many years, if we dont try to find some solutions. The problem is which is the solution acceptable for both, without opening conflicts. You know what I think about Libya, no? Maybe you dont know, but.. haha, we should, we could discuss it for hours my friend, what had happened to Libya, for maybe today somebody understands that the situation after was not so good, was not better to, well make our frame work..
Fake african politician: [Incomprehensible]… we should ask any other institution like the european commision give us money, but I see that all of money of the European Union is going in the Ukraine now…
Giorgia Meloni: Eeeh, yeah, what I’m working on is to let them come to africa too, its my first commitment as you know if you followed it, when I go around to tell everybody from the americans until NATO and saying all over, to take care about africa, so…
Fake african politician: I also dont agree with this national ideology of Ukraine, I mean Bandera, that they’re nationalists, because this, that thing, that russia especially hates…
Giorgia Meloni: No I didnt understand that, you dont agree with..
Fake african politician: With nationalists inside ukraine, I mean they are ultra nationalists, like Banderas, or…
Giorgia Meloni: Well they are, no, no I dont agree on that, they have the right to do that, I think the problem with nationalism is the problem that Putin has.
Fake african politician: I’m talking about Stepan Bandera, he is like a person who russia presents like Hitler.
Giorgia Meloni: Well, I dont know that, I think, I think, that they are doing what they have to do and what is right to do and we are trying to help them, we are…
Fake african politician: Anyway, Madame Prime Minister thank you for this conversation I need to meet…
Giorgia Meloni: No thank you, thank you I hope that we can have also other occasions - thank you very much, thank you very much, bye, bye.
src: click
The transcript was hell to generate, because this time the russians only released a “for russian consumption” version on rutube, where they have a russian voice over, laid over the original audio track. No subtitles. In the past, they at least released it with subtitles which were much easier to parse and subsequently auto translate… This is russia getting lazy in their propaganda efforts for foreign consumption. 😉
Nothing too sensational in there, just Meloni essentially admitting that everybody is getting tired of the ukraine war. And that she has got plans on how to end it, but is waiting for the right moment to “put them on the table”…
The US knowing that this PR piece was about to hit also makes the recent Times Magazine publication a bit less surprising.
The phonecall was held on the 18th of September, the authenticity has subsequently been confirmed by the office of the italian prime minister. see: click (Forbes)
… die EU immerhin bei Pausen.
AH.….….
Biden fordert eine „Pause“ im Krieg zwischen Hamas und Israel
US-Präsident Joe Biden hat sich mit Blick auf den Krieg zwischen Israel und der Hamas bei einem Fundraising-Event in den USA für eine “Pause” ausgesprochen, damit die “Gefangenen” den Gazastreifen verlassen können. “Ich denke, wir brauchen eine Pause. Eine Pause bedeutet, Zeit zu geben, damit die Gefangenen rauskommen”, sagte Biden am Mittwoch bei einer Rede vor rund 200 Zuhörern auf einen Zwischenruf einer Rabbinerin, wonach er zu einem sofortigen Waffenstillstand aufrufen solle.
src: click
Am Tollsten finde ich ja noch immer wie US Parlamentarier das versuchen mit “Lokalkolorit” zu aufzuhübschen, also so mit “das ist so wie als wir damals, … und deswegen denke ich, dass wir das so müssen” -- aber halt weltweit das Wording abgestimmt ist… Herrlich hier im Wertewesten.
Langsam wirds dennoch heikel, der Standard zitiert schon wieder Joschka Fischer über Projekt Syndicate, in dem er wie immer Project Syndicate unkontextualisert abschreibt. Sie wissen ja Kommentare sind wichtig fürs Framing und so…
Man kann sich des Eindrucks nur schwer erwehren, dass eine Erinnerung an das Jahr 1914 unsere Zeit bestimmt. Die Gefahr, dass sich die Ereignisse verselbstständigen, ist unschwer festzustellen. Prestige und Ambition rangieren vor Vernunft, ebenso religiöse und nationale Leidenschaften. In diesen Tagen erleben wir auch, wie chaotisch die Welt ohne eine Ordnungsmacht aussähe. Wie würde denn die Krise im Nahen Osten verlaufen ohne die Ordnungsmacht USA und die kluge, ja weise Vernunft jenes oft belächelten älteren Herrn im Weißen Haus, Joe Biden? Sie wäre ein noch unsicherer und gefährlicherer Platz, dessen bin ich mir gewiss.
Unparalleled eloquence and bravery in the face of Western and UN COMPLICITY in Apartheid Israel’s GENOCIDE against Palestinians.
Mr. @CraigMokhiber RESIGNS from the clueless @UN.
With courageous people like Mokhiber, there is hope for humanity.“As a human rights lawyer with… pic.twitter.com/mDhY4dm77V
— Dr. Miguna Miguna (@MigunaMiguna) November 1, 2023
“Nobody believes in our victory like I do. Nobody.”
Inside Volodymyr Zelensky’s lonely fight to save Ukraine as war fatigue spreads https://t.co/7uvz7N4Bh8 pic.twitter.com/tgaQyasld3
— TIME (@TIME) October 30, 2023
Or just the strangest “buy me” coverstunt of all times.
edit: Für die die zu faul waren dem Link zu folgen:
After his visit to Washington, TIME followed the President and his team back to Kyiv, hoping to understand how they would react to the signals they had received, especially the insistent calls for Zelensky to fight corruption inside his own government, and the fading enthusiasm for a war with no end in sight. On my first day in Kyiv, I asked one member of his circle how the President was feeling. The response came without a second’s hesitation: “Angry.”
The usual sparkle of his optimism, his sense of humor, his tendency to liven up a meeting in the war room with a bit of banter or a bawdy joke, none of that has survived into the second year of all-out war. “Now he walks in, gets the updates, gives the orders, and walks out,” says one longtime member of his team. Another tells me that, most of all, Zelensky feels betrayed by his Western allies. They have left him without the means to win the war, only the means to survive it.
But his convictions haven’t changed. Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, he does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace. On the contrary, his belief in Ukraine’s ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisers. It is immovable, verging on the messianic. “He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”
src: click
